Good, let Zuck and Musk fight. If we're lucky they'll knock each other out.
this post was submitted on 06 Jul 2023
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Can you imagine if only the Fediverse remains standing? Oh how I wish we could live in such a world.
Aha. This may be why Threads is based on ActivityPub - a way to prevent accusations of it being a Twitter clone. It's just an innocent member of the Fediverse. ;)
Yep. Being a part of the fediverse gives Meta a defensible argument that (1) they are not stealing Twitter's intellectual property as Mastodon already exists and (2) they are not monopolizing the Twitter-like social media environment as any of their users could move to Mastodon if they wanted to.
The second point only works once they meaningfully federate and stay meaningfully federated.
But more importantly:
- There is probably no Twitter IP at issue. There could be some patents, hard to guess, but I imagine Meta and Twitter have a cross license, or at least a detente because they could sue each other so hard that only the lawyers would win.
Edit: Oh, Twitter is accusing Facebook of misappropriating trade secrets. It's theoretically possible that one or two laid off twitter employees reused some trade secret information, but... I feel like this is a fishing expedition, Twitter doesn't actually have any suspicion that Facebook did that, they just wanna be dicks about it.
- They can't be monopolizing this space while Twitter still has almost all the market share. They could be accused of attempting to monopolize if they did things like predatory pricing, but that's a hard case to make, and even if they do gain market share, at this point, it's going to be because of Twitter actively ruining its own product and throwing its large positive network effect advantage right in the trash. Nobody could possibly blame Facebook for that, Twitter would never win, even in a country that did enforce antitrust laws against tech companies.
The second point may actually be very true. This way they are a smaller target for anti-trust investigations in case Twitter is completely obsoleted by Threads.
Who'da thunk the fediverse was just going to be used as a shield in a petty big tech feud?!
Keep in mind that Meta's Threads doesn't have ActivityPub integrated yet. Doubt they are going to get any protection from the fediverse.
There's also the regulation angle. The Digital Markets Act is likely why they're federating: https://commission.europa.eu/strategy-and-policy/priorities-2019-2024/europe-fit-digital-age/digital-markets-act-ensuring-fair-and-open-digital-markets_en
Examples of the “do’s” - Gatekeeper platforms will have to:
- allow third parties to inter-operate with the gatekeeper’s own services in certain specific situations
- allow their business users to access the data that they generate in their use of the gatekeeper’s platform
- provide companies advertising on their platform with the tools and information necessary for advertisers and publishers to carry out their own independent verification of their advertisements hosted by the gatekeeper
- allow their business users to promote their offer and conclude contracts with their customers outside the gatekeeper’s platform
The interoperability is the big one. Being federated means that Threads isn't considered a "gatekeeper platform". I wouldn't be surprised if Instagram and maybe even Facebook itself start to federate as well. Since Threads isn't currently connected to the wider fediverse, that's probably why they're not in the EU yet.
This also means that fears of "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish" are likely overblown. Breaking fediverse interoperability means that they'd be a gatekeeper again and subject to EU regulations against gatekeepers. Interestingly, both Twitter and Reddit are now likely subject to being considered gatekeepers due to making their APIs effectively inaccessible.
Very good point! I don't think the threat from Meta is technological, they also seem to be good citizens on the the open source projects they collaborate on.
I am far more concerned about how Threads is going to change the community. Not the vapid influencer crap, but the toxicity, divisiveness, bigotry and disinformation coming out of Facebook.
@OldFartPhil Anyway... maybe with "intellectual property" they mean another thing? I mean... if Meta is a Twitter clone, Twitter was a identi.ca clone too.
identi.ca now thats a url i haven't heard in a long time
An innocent member of the Fediverse that doesn't federate with anybody.
In a letter to CEO Mark Zuckerberg published by Semafor, a lawyer for Twitter said the company “has serious concerns that Meta Platforms (Meta) has engaged in systematic, willful and unlawful misappropriation of Twitter’s trade secrets and other intellectual property”.
Makes you wonder what, if any tech they could have appropriated.
misappropriation of Twitter’s (...) intellectual property
Translation: all the intellect left Twitter after Musk took over and they're now working at Meta 🤣
I know nothing about law, but if Twitter took Facebook to court, wouldn't they have to reveal the trade secrets they allege were stolen, no longer making them secret? Or is revealing then in court perceived as an open secret?
Courts can have closed source code audited. It’s literally done in a locked room on a device that doesn’t have the ability to export, and people that enter the room are monitored.
oh L oh L at this! Maybe that boxing match can settle this.
Yes, let's set up a Thunderdome and they can fight it out. Two nerds enter. One nerd leaves.
Jeez every day Musk does something else to help prove what a giant baby he is. Maybe if you didn’t run Twitter into the ground this wouldn’t be happening??
On what grounds exactly? Their incompetence is what gave Meta the opening to launch a competitor to begin with.
This is what they alleged:
Twitter claims in the cease-and-desist that Meta has poached dozens of former employees in the past year, some of whom “had and continue to have access to Twitter’s trade secrets and other highly confidential information” and “many” of whom have “improperly” kept Twitter documents or electronic devices.
“With that knowledge, Meta deliberately assigned these employees to develop, in a matter of months, Meta’s copycat “Threads” app with the specific intent that they use Twitter’s trade secrets and other intellectual property in order to accelerate the development of Meta’s competing app, in violation of both state and federal law as well as those employees’ ongoing obligations to Twitter,” the letter reads.
I wonder whether Meta has hired some Twitter employees recently - because I can't quite see how Meta would be getting trade secrets otherwise.
I wonder if this is why there is no home feed yet. Just the stupid god damn firehose.
I assume it means musk as only he would be that stupid
Let them fight! 🤣🤣🤣
I have a feeling Twitter is about to regret not going after Truth Social, it being a near direct rip-off of Twitter.
Nobody gives a fuck about Truth Social. Mastodon / ActivityPub is kind of a "rip-off," and so was Diaspora, and so are a dozen other similar services, but there's nothing Twitter could ever have done about them, legally. Twitter did, at one point, block Mastodon links, or deprioritize profiles with mastodon links. That's some bullshit, obviously.
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