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[–] xhieron@lemmy.world 90 points 9 months ago (2 children)

This is good news. But you know, just to be on the safe side, let's all go vote for Joe anyway.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 26 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Winning California by a lot of votes doesn't matter if he loses Texas, Florida, Michigan, and Ohio.

[–] GluWu@lemm.ee 41 points 9 months ago (6 children)

Don't you guys love how 70% of the country just doesn't matter because everyone already knows what they'll be. So we get to only focus on a few of the most fucked ones to decide the election.

I love the Electoral College, I love FPTP voting, I hate popular votes. This is okay. We're gonna be okay. Everything is okay. Somebody please tell me it's going to be okay.

[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago

The world is more fucked up than it should be but it's also mostly better than it's ever been. There's no guarantee that either of those things will continue to be true though. Did that help?

[–] randomsnark@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 months ago

If you're in a state that you know will vote exactly the way you would (by such a large margin that it can do it even if everyone thinking like you stays home), check what local candidates and propositions and such are on the ballot and whether there are any of those where your voice needs to be heard.

Of course, the answer might still be no - I've sat out elections in the past where I could see that my vote on every issue would just be running up the score on the side that had already won (and this did turn out to be correct). But it's worth checking just to be sure. There's more to elections than just congress and president.

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[–] xor@infosec.pub 13 points 9 months ago

some polls say he's losing some key swing states...
but also, i once worked at a call center that conducted political polls... in my own experience, they're total bullshit and normal, average, representative of the population people are not participating in these polls at all....

[–] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 35 points 9 months ago (2 children)
[–] BangelaQuirkel@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] xor@infosec.pub 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

it sure beats Masturbating September...

[–] lewdian69@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Please, it's Self-love September

[–] xor@infosec.pub 2 points 9 months ago

well when i masturbate, it's all hate

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 8 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Someone help me develop a drinking problem. I'm gonna need it to get through the next year.

[–] 0110010001100010@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago (5 children)
  • Step 1: Start Drinking

  • Step 2: Don't Stop

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

This sounds expensive. I'm poor.

[–] BangelaQuirkel@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

Ignore other necessities and beg for drink money

[–] xor@infosec.pub 1 points 9 months ago

due to the liquor laws in america, certain types of booze have very high quality standards....
namely Vodka, Scotch, and Bourbon...
(vodka must be made into nearly pure ethanol and then diluted, scotch must be aged 3 years in scotland... so it's always decent, and bourbon has a bunch of fun rules too... i don't really like bourbon though)

the health part always makes me stop my drinking problems though... i just can't handle it...
getting a little tipsy consistently is possible to maintain a functioning alcoholism though... be sure to stay extra hydrated and alcohol inhibits vitamin absorption... so... whatever

[–] xhieron@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

Can't drink all day if you don't start in the morning!

[–] ironhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 3 points 9 months ago

Damn, no wonder I have a drinking problem.

[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 2 points 9 months ago

"The key to avoiding a hangover is to never stop drinking" - Col. Tigh, Battlestar Galactica

[–] HornyOnMain@kbin.social 2 points 9 months ago

Ah that's where I went wrong, I got stuck on step 1, thanks!

[–] robocall@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

Have you considered smoking? Alcohol gives me a headache. But there's many options on things to smoke - tobacco, weed, fentanyl, etc.. /s

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

I've tried it; it doesn't help.

[–] MagicShel@programming.dev 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Turn on Fox news and take a drink every time someone says something stupid. Two drinks if it's a debunked lie. See you in 2025!

[–] numberfour002@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Odds are slim they'll survive to 2025 drinking at that pace.

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 32 points 9 months ago (1 children)

"Propelled by female voters in just the past few weeks, the head-to-head tie with Trump morphs into a modest lead for Biden.”

I got an idea, let's attack Taylor Swift! That'll help with our female-voter gap!

[–] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Imagine if 14 year-old girls could vote, it would be a landslide

[–] ninjan@lemmy.mildgrim.com 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I think Swift's main demographic is actually in the bracket 16-25 so plenty of voters there. The younger teens are, generally, into more fresh/new acts and stuff with more of an edge. Swift has been around for a long time now.

[–] quicksand@lemm.ee 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yeah it might skew even higher than that. I'd say up to mid 30s almost at this point.

[–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 2 points 9 months ago

Republicans have already blamed her for costing them an election (Tennessee, maybe?) simply by telling her followers/fans to go vote. Not to vote for any particular race or candidate, just to go vote.

There's still a lot of eligible non-voters. Trump activated a non-trivial portion, but there's a lot more available to whomever can harness that power. Taylor Swift might be able to do it.

[–] robocall@lemmy.world 31 points 9 months ago (3 children)

It's going to be a very long election cycle

[–] toiletobserver@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

Always has been...

[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Denial

Anger

Bargaining

Depression <--- we are here

Acceptance

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Wtf is a dabda (/s)

[–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 1 points 9 months ago

I was watching the news the week after Biden's inauguration in 2021. They were talking about possibilities for the '24 election. I turned it off.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Reminder that national polls are useless because the United States doesn't have national elections. There are 50 individual state elections, plus Washington D.C., which establish 535 Electoral College votes, 270 to win.

States like Washington, Oregon, California are going to Biden, no contest.

States like Texas, Louisiana, Alabama are going to Trump, no contest.

The election will be decided by the toss-up states. Unless the poll is talking about one of these states it can be safely ignored.

Arizona: Trump +3 to +8
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/arizona/

Georgia: Trump +7 to +8
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/georgia/

Michigan: Trump +5 to +8
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/michigan/

Minnesota: Biden +3 same problem as New Mexico, it's an old poll from November.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/minnesota/

Nevada: Trump +8 to +12
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/nevada/

New Mexico: Biden +8 but the most recent poll is from August which is effectively useless now.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/new-mexico/

Pennsylvania: Trump +3
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/pennsylvania/

Wisconsin: Trump +5 to +8
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/wisconsin/

Virginia: Biden +3, also an old poll, from December.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/virginia/

Taking that information and plugging it into an electoral college map:

https://www.cnn.com/election/2024/electoral-college-map?game-id=2020-PG-no-allocations&amp;game-view=map

Trump wins, 312 to 226.

This is a change from the last time I posted this where Trump won, 278 to 260. Michigan and Pennsylvania are both now polling for Trump instead of Biden.

Previously, Biden needed to pick up +10.

Now he needs to pick up +44 which is a much, much, steeper ask...

[–] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 10 points 9 months ago (4 children)

These polls are useless too, without knowing who was surveyed (online, landlines, etc.). Also, polls this far from the election are just useless in general. Democrats are going to say they don't like Biden until it comes time to vote.

Most people remember the daily idiocy of the last time that smelly fatass was president. It's not a surprise. Democrats are going to come out and vote against Trump like they did before. They just don't care about answering polls to say they like Biden.

The same thing happened in 2020. Trump had a ton of rallies and Biden had none. Biden still kicked Trump's ass despite not being "popular".

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The polling bias is more notable than ever in a world where no one under 40 answers their phones.

[–] nonfuinoncuro@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago

Eh most people under 40 aren't going to take a day off work to go vote either

[–] CouncilOfFriends 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Do they only poll via phone calls? I'm not a dinosaur, so Google Voice screens anybody not in contacts by asking their name. This defeats most robodialers, and having done a couple jobs which included political polls, you only get the call and poll script on your screen once the robodialer has confirmed it didn't reach a voicemail.

You'd get random campaigns based on what numbers were in the robodialer for the timezones it picked. You could be talking to some old guy who was lonely and wanted nothing more than a detailed talk about Ford trucks in between your questions about Ford's latest models, and the next call be questions such as, "if X candidate were to take a stronger position against giving free lunch to school kids, would the chance you vote for them increase, decrease, or stay the same?"

I did not last long at either job as it is soulkilling work

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[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago

Haley leads Joe Biden 1 on 1

Thank you to Republican primary voters for making sure our mediocre candidate can't lose, go collect your prize of... I don't know, bank statements showing how much money you've thrown at the orange shit gibbon over the years and some stupid looking hats?

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Also interesting to note that the this same poll has Haley beating Biden by 5 points if Trump is not on the ballot and Haley is the Republican nominee .

However, put Biden and Haley on a larger ballot with RFK Jr and the other nobodies running on 3rd party tickets, and Biden ends up winning again.

[–] 0110010001100010@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

There is also zero chance Trump doesn't run. Either he's the nominee or he runs third-party and splits the vote. His ego (and legal trouble) simply won't allow him to sit this one out.

[–] beardown@lemm.ee 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

If Trump is not the nominee, or if he is judicially removed from the ballot, then he will still run as a write-in candidate.

And even if he doesn't run a write-in campaign, plenty of his supporters will write him in anyway

And even if he would get struck by lightning and pass away prior to November, his supporters would likely just write in Don Jr or Vivek or someone similar.

Under no circumstances is Nikki Haley ever getting even 80% of Trump supporters to vote for her in November. And if she can't get that, then there is no way she can beat Biden. A Nikki Haley victory in 2024 is not plausible

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

Biden could also die before the election. He's no spring chicken. Then maybe we get Haley vs Harris? Or some other dems jump into the primary race.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

or if he is judicially removed from the ballot, then he will still run as a write-in candidate.

He's being removed from the ballot in states because they consider him ineligible to be president. That's not something that gets solved by a write-in.

[–] thesporkeffect@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

That doesn't change the fact that his supporters will write him in even if he is found dead on the shitter

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago

It's far easier to break things than maintain or build upon them. Always has been the case and always will. Such is entropy.

I confess Biden wasn't even my third choice in the 2020 primaries. But I voted for him anyway, and I'll vote for him again. Because, truly: democracy, equality, justice, truth, and the planet itself is on the line.

[–] Che_Donkey@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 months ago

ONLY 10 MORE MONTHS! WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO....

...OOOOOOOOH!!!!

[–] xc2215x@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Good for Joe Biden.

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