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Top Members of Far-right Swedish Party With neo-Nazi Roots Meet Israeli Minister in Knesset (lemmy.world)

submitted 9 months ago by OccamsTeapot@lemmy.world to c/nottheonion@lemmy.world

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[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 39 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

This happens so often it doesn't even feel like an Onion headline any more. Tommy Robinson (A UK far right goon) did the same.

[–] OccamsTeapot@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago (1 children)

For SD I think it's a calculated "we're not Nazis" move, for Tommy Robinson maybe he just hates arabs more than he hates jews? Weird.

[–] LazaroFilm@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

Or they’re richer than he hates them.

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 9 months ago

Honestly starting to feel like no shit Sherlock territory

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 8 points 9 months ago

There's a long history of Israel doing this: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.ca/books/132145/the-unspoken-alliance-by-sasha-polakow-suransky/9780307388506/excerpt

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

Birds of a feather and all that.

Only surprising to people who can't recognize fascism unless it's wearing cartoonishly shiny jackboots.

[–] roastedDeflator@kbin.social 0 points 9 months ago

Archive link

[+] parpol@programming.dev -19 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

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[–] vind@lemmy.world 30 points 9 months ago (2 children)

SD is not a center party. They have been and always will be a far right party with some socialist talking points to get votes from the left. (Sound familiar?)

[–] mumblerfish@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

You can't spell NSDAP without SD

[+] parpol@programming.dev -1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

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[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Did you even read the article?

Just one example

In recent months, the party has been attempting to position itself as "the most pro-Israel party in Sweden" and distance itself from its antiemetic and neo-Nazi past. However, in 2021, the Swedish newspaper Aftonbladet revealed that the party leader in the second-largest city council in Sweden, Gothenburg, Jörgen Fogelklou, had posted antisemitic and racist statements on social media, such as "It is clear that the Jews are the root of all evil in the world." Two years ago, it was exposed that some party members had connections with neo-Nazi movements even in recent years. For instance, one party member in southern Sweden, Jonas Lingren, publicly supported rock bands advocating for "white supremacy" and used the slogan "Skinhead 88" (88 is a known code for Heil Hitler, i.e., HH).

[+] parpol@programming.dev -4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

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[–] lukecooperatus@lemmy.ml 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Being racist does not make you far-right

Being openly racist absolutely does mean being right wing. What else would it mean? That's the main platform the right has, they just bury it under euphemisms and pretend it doesn't exist. The ones who are too stupid to obfuscate their racist remarks are the far-right.

[–] snek@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Dude, they are in the right block, they are a far right party, no one in Sweden thinks otherwise. It would be ridiculous. Just read their Wikipedia page or something: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden_Democrats

[–] OccamsTeapot@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

These people kindly collect evidence of the ongoing racism, authoritarianism and other questionable activities of SD. The Nazis didn't go anywhere, just rebranded

[+] parpol@programming.dev -8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Well they seem to have gone somewhere else now, as the politicians with official positions that committed crimes or made offensive comments seem to have been fired.

[–] mumblerfish@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That statement is absurd, especially in relation to the link. A lot of the articles in there are about top SD politicians, even the recent posts. For example, the comments on it being impossible for jews to be swedish, made by current SD MPs in defense of even higher ranking current SD member. You may not find that offensive -- as implied by your comment -- but there are jewish groups interviewed in the linked article for that item that seems to find it offensive.

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[–] mumblerfish@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Nope. He is saying they 'can adopt a swedish identity', but they are not swedish. And that this would be about historic forced assimilation is just wishful thinking, and not understandig ethonational ideology (or defending it). SD has the view, presented by several members in various ways, where nationality is based in ethnicity, you are not swedish if you are a citizen, not if you have a swedish identity, only an essence of your ethnicity can make you "swedish", in this sense. It is not there to protect their identity as a minority, it is there to cause a divide. What you fail to understand -- I'm giving you the benefit of doubt here -- is that the offensive thing here is to say that there is something beyond how someone identifies: "I'm a swedish jew", is met with "ah, but then you are not swedish", because you have only "adopted an identity". The "opposite" you bring up is not an opposite of this, because not believing that an ethnic essence exists that makes you "swedish", is not even close to saying "jews are swedish".

[–] idiomaddict@feddit.de 1 points 9 months ago

I have a bunch of midwestern Americans who seem to fit their definition of Swedish- I wonder if they’d be happy for a large wave of Minnesotan emigrants.

[–] snek@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

A center party lol

Question: where did you get this information or impression? Really curious.

No, they are far right. I think if anyone called them centrists in Sweden, they'd get laughed at.

People in the party still do and say Nazi things despite their attempts to get rid of them. No party wants to have them in government... Right now they are in a coallotion with no government seats because this shit wouldn't fly with Swedish society.

They are anti immigrant, racist, transphobic, and dabble in conspiracy theories.

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To those who want to understand what SD is all about, here you go, a full list of all their bullshit, cited with links and pictures: (page in Swedish, but any translation extension should do)

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