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[–] NABDad@lemmy.world 133 points 9 months ago (14 children)
[–] Altofaltception@lemmy.world 51 points 9 months ago

Propaganda is a powerful tool.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 34 points 9 months ago (10 children)

way down at the bottom here::

opt in polling from web based "interview". So, probably. nobody even remotely tech savy (aka has an ad blocker) ever participated. but anyhow... here's what pew research has to say about the effects of interview mode:

Where differences occurred, they were especially large on three broad types of questions: Items that asked the respondent to assess the quality of their family and social life produced differences of 18 and 14 percentage points, respectively, with those interviewed on the phone reporting higher levels of satisfaction than those who completed the survey on the Web.

Questions about societal discrimination against several different groups also produced large differences, with telephone respondents more apt than Web respondents to say that gays and lesbians, Hispanics and blacks face a lot of discrimination. However, there was no significant mode difference in responses to the question of whether women face a lot of discrimination.

Web respondents were far more likely than those interviewed on the phone to give various political figures a “very unfavorable” rating, a tendency that was concentrated among members of the opposite party of each figure rated.

Statistically significant mode effects also were observed on several other questions. Telephone respondents were more likely than those interviewed on the Web to say they often talked with their neighbors, to rate their communities as an “excellent” place to live and to rate their own health as “excellent.” Web respondents were more likely than phone respondents to report being unable to afford food or needed medical care at some point in the past twelve months.

ultimately, the legitimacy of the poll would depend on where they solicited their subjects in the poll. You're likely to get a far different answer with advertisements on Truth Social than you would with advertisements on, lets say, a palistinian-american subreddit. but that wasn't addressed in the report, so. we'll never really know.

[–] Shirasho@lemmings.world 25 points 9 months ago

Opt-in polling is so bad. It means you only get answers from people with strong opinions. They are polls where the results are shaped like a U instead of a bell curve so it rarely represents the actual 95 percentile.

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[–] sik0fewl@kbin.social 21 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Pretty easy now to see how Nazi Germany got away with it.

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[–] xarexyouxmadx@lemmy.world 60 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The other ⅔ apparently have their head in the sand .

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 51 points 9 months ago (1 children)

"It's just a sparkling massacre"

[–] Shyfer@ttrpg.network 26 points 9 months ago (9 children)

"It has to be in the correct region of Germany."

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[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 50 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Israel is blocking aid organisations from buying food, water and medicine in israel and transporting it through the Ker Shalom crossing. Forcing everything through the extremely slow Egypt crossing which they are actively holding up. If they wanted to prevent weapon smuggle then they should love it going through Ker Shalom

I cannot think of a single possible explanation other than israel trying to starve Gazans and commit genocide. How are Americans this brainwashed?

[–] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago (10 children)

How are Americans this brainwashed?

This isn't limited to the US. What are Israeli citizens doing? Personally i think the US should just stay the fuck out of it and take back whatever stuff we can that we gave them. Cut off support and actively denounce, but they won't.

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[–] myrdinn@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Propaganda. An abysmal education system. Failing social structures. Corrupt media. Networks of the wealthy using their influence to push society in the direction they desire.

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[–] JoMomma@lemm.ee 50 points 9 months ago (5 children)

So at least 1/3 are paying attention

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[–] PoliticalAgitator@lemmy.world 48 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Probably because of all the genocide they're doing.

[–] Reddfugee42@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago

Holy shit brah are you a detective

[–] bedrooms@kbin.social 47 points 9 months ago (75 children)

Imagine you, your friends and your family get killed and washed away from your land, and 2/3 of US people don't believe it's genocide.

[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 35 points 9 months ago (5 children)

Actually 1/3 said it is genocide, 1/3 said it isn't, and 1/3 said they didn't know. Also, only1/3 of Americans saying this is a genocide isn't great, but it does represent a huge shift in opinion in a short time. Both our political parties support Israel, our news media doesn't cover Palestinians very sympathetically, and our education system tells a very favorable version of Israel's founding (most Americans don't even learn about the Nakba). I don't think criticism of Israel has ever been this mainstream (at least in my lifetime).

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[–] Doorbook@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago

Average Us public have no clue what is going on in their own country, it is actually amazing there 1/3 know at least there is a genocide taking place.

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[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 26 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)
  • 67% said a ceasefire should only happen if the hostages are released and Hamas is removed from power

  • 83% said October 7 was a terror attack, including 74% of those aged 18-24

  • 80% said they support Israel over Hamas, including 57% of those aged 18-24

  • 69% said Israel was trying to avoid civilian casualties in the Gaza Strip and 66% said Israel was just trying to defend itself

  • 74% said Hamas’s attack was genocidal

https://harvardharrispoll.com/

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 33 points 9 months ago (16 children)

this is depressing.

I'm not going to comment on whether or not Hamas' attack was genocidal, because even if they meant it to be, I just don't they have the capability. but like... Israel is bombing fucking hospitals and refugee camps inside the strip. That's not how you go about "avoiding civilian casualties".

the only side worth supporting here are the civilians caught in the middle.

[–] sentient_loom@sh.itjust.works 10 points 9 months ago

Right. I'm with the civilians on both sides.

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[–] Furedadmins@lemmy.world 24 points 9 months ago (3 children)

If that headline said one third of Americans don't believe Israel is commiting genocide which is also an accurate from the results it would set a very different tone.

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

It’s basically a three way split. 1/3rd yes, 1/3rd no, 1/3rd undecided.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 24 points 9 months ago (7 children)

I think that shows that this is not the issue that is going to really hurt Biden. What will hurt him is if the economy for the average person hasn't improved by election day. And I doubt it will. So I sure as fuck hope he doesn't lose to Trump.

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 15 points 9 months ago

But the news keeps telling me life is improving for the average American. The News.

[–] Hegar@kbin.social 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

this is not the issue that is going to really hurt Biden

That's not my reading of the poll:

35% say it is, 36% say it isn’t, with 29% undecided.
Almost half of those surveyed aged 18-29, 49%, say Israel is committing genocide, with 24% disagreeing and 27% uncertain.
The figures are broadly similar for registered Democrats, who believe 49%-21% in the genocide characterization, while 30% are undecided.

Half of all young people and half of all Democrats believe it's a genocide, with more undecided than disbelieving. Those numbers are not likely to get better as the IDF kills more Palestinians.

Biden's not likely to pick up republican votes based on this issue, but he is quite likely to drive down youth and democrat turn out by being out of touch with his base.

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[–] Jaysyn@kbin.social 15 points 9 months ago (3 children)
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[–] Fullest@sh.itjust.works 12 points 9 months ago (3 children)

saw this one making the rounds the other day, I think it's quite fitting https://twitter.com/SaeedDiCaprio/status/1750152798623195473

do not use other genocides to describe this one

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