Facebook is NOT FINE
this post was submitted on 24 Jan 2024
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And most people that have an issue with TikTok will also have an issue with Facebook. Not sure where OP got the idea there's a general consensus that one is ok and not the other.
We're talking more about TiKTok now because it's newer, growing, and on of the most prevalent platforms at the moment.
The fact Facebook is a privacy invading monster is old news. We're not talking about it as much because it's declining and everyone already knows.
A good deal of Facebook usage also tends to be begrudging because groups and relatives refuse to move off it.
China. Also, no one is saying FB is fine, but since it’s American then gov pretty much shrugs. It was FB after all feeding the NSA yeah?
Not so much saying it, but I personally know several people who'll argue that Tiktok is a privacy invading god awful website that should be banned then 5 minutes later proceed to doomscroll Facebook
I tolerate Facebook on my network, but tiktok is an absolute no for me, null routed.
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That's entirely anecdotal, and confirmation bias to boot. How many people do you know that use neither? I'll bet it's sizable.
Yeah, there are some that don't use TikTok but use Facebook, but that's not evidence of a trend. Especially when Facebook has legitimate uses that you can't easily replace with the other platforms
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This is the first time I’ve ever seen the phrase “Facebook is fine” ever written out.
Mhm, me as well.
They all suck dude, they all collect data. It's just a matter of preference who you give your data to. Or you could live in the stone age and not give any data away, your choice 🤷. (My point is, even Lemmy collects some data, undoubtedly).
Who said Facebook is fine ? Threads was illegal in the EU due to privacy concern.
Facebook is most definitely not fine. However, as far as I know Facebook hasn't pushed known RCE (remote code execution) exploits into their product updates, which TikTok has. Politicians don't care about this but literally everyone else should.
Facebook is bad but TikTok is bad^bad. I use neither, Soo ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
For real tho, when me and my partner decided to delete our social media our mental health and relationship improved immensely. It even improved our social lives too, if I wanted to know how someone is doing I'll just shoot em a text or call em and catch up or setup an outing together.
if I wanted to know how someone is doing I'll just shoot em
How to say you're American without saying you're American
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"Facebook is fine" Ima stop you right there, lol
They're both bad but tik tok is on steroids. There are a bunch of security researchers out there that have uncovered the crap ton of shit tik tok collects. It's basically a spyware app that also comes with a social media app. From the ground up it was meant to collect personal information and every little bit about your device. I block it on my network because any tik tok device also scans the entire network and I don't want that to happen.
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People in the know understand how shitty Facebook is, but at the very least, they're a private company. ByteDance is Chinese, and there's very little separation between Chinese companies and the Chinese government.
So, for all intents and purposes, it comes down to a company spying on you vs. a foreign government spying on you. They're both invading your privacy, but for different nefarious reasons.
Facebook is open about the fact that it hands private user data over to the US Gov't if they simply ask. Third party doctrine.
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I've literally never read any kind of online privacy guide that has said anything like "Facebook is fine". Not sure where you're getting that opinion from.
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Neither of them are fine, but only one is owned by an oppressive regime.
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They are both malware and I wish we could snap them out of existence thanos style.
Only getting rid of half of them? /s
Facebook isn't fine. But TikTok is worse because it's not fully controlled within our borders.
Yup, it's an arm of the state practically, and while FB is bad (oh really bad, don't get me wrong) the US state department isn't weaponizing it against journalists.
Since I don't live in neither country Id be spied by both countries. Just like most of 6b people in the world.
Fuck them both.
Facebook is certainly not fine, it's just talked about less, especially among the younger generations. Teens and twenty-something's haven't been drawn to Facebook for quite some time, while TikTok is currently the place to be if you're in that age range. You don't need to convince a Zoomer to avoid Facebook, because Facebook is where their grandma does social media, but TikTok is currently dominating their attention.
Haven’t seen this mentioned, but Meta hired marketing consultants to present to the government how dangerous TikTok was just so their Facebook/IG reels or whatever they are called can take their place. This spawned a ton of news articles and opinion pieces about the government talking about this new dangerous TikTok thing and how bad it is. Also, it was very clear that an anti TikTok campaign was happening on Reddit like a year ago, so the marketing didn’t stop with presenting things to the government.
And I’m not saying it isn’t a breach of privacy. I also use Google maps too, so I’m not too terribly concerned with it. But it does just seem like a marketing smear campaign centralized around the facade of xenophobia and “think of the children”
I think the issue with this question is the fact that you asked it on a decentralized platform. If you asked this same thing on a centralized social media platform, you’ll definitely get far more pro-Facebook and anti-TikTok comments and less “uh…both are bad CHECK PLEASE”
What if I told you both were bad?
Real quick --> these discussions tend to spiral off into bad faith arguments and whataboutism, I'm going to try and avoid that
I think there are a few things that come to mind for me, and I apologize for this being very disorganized
- Both are bad and privacy invading, I avoid both as much as possible
- facebook where I am (and likely through north america) is more embedded in how we communicate. Both individually, and with companies/institutions. This isn't a good thing, but it's what has happened.
- I don't post much or at all on either, and I use the web browser when possible. Unfortunately, I'm forced to use facebook stuff more than I am forced to use tiktok (which I don't think happens at all)
- Because TikTok is newer, it's also easier to restrict it. I think if Facebook tried to enter today, we'd push it away much harder
- Is one actually worse? Maybe, but I'll defer to people that know more. I think on the app level, TikTok collected more data (and types of data) than the apps for Facebook products.
For me, it's less about who is getting the data than what data is collected. Especially because once the data is collected, it won't necessarily stay with the one entity. I wouldn't be surprised if both Facebook and TikTok benefit from the data that the other one collects, making that point somewhat moot
these discussions tend to spiral off into bad faith arguments and whataboutism
Yeah, that's a large part of the reason I haven't asked before. But I'm asking in good faith, and I hope I'll receive answers made in good faith
Both are bad and privacy invading
This is my sentiment too, and why I get annoyed when people claim one is worse than the other
Because TikTok is newer, it's also easier to restrict it. I think if Facebook tried to enter today, we'd push it away much harder
This is a really good point - thank you!
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It's not fine - it's been around longer and the user base is rusted onto it.
I left Facebook in 2018 after discovering the level of behavioural tracking, and the discovery that Facebook had both captured and sold this information to advertisers. I found this out at a marketing technology showcase after chatting with a FB engineer.
Tiktok is Chinese and Facebook is American... That's why they are saying tiktok is bad... Facebook is probably worse by a considerable degree.
Facebook collects far more than we think it does. I don't understand why they aren't getting hit hard with HIPAA violations yet.
Are you referring to privacy or security? In my opinion, they're both absolute dumpster dogshit for privacy AND security. But facebook (meta) is a US company whereas tik tok is a Chinese company. So tik tok is seen as a security risk because China is an adversary to the west. An adversary is more likely to spy through their product than a friendly nation. So tik tok is seen as a security threat by many in the west. That's basically all there is to it.
Facebook is definitely not “fine” when it comes to privacy. It’s less worse than TikTok because it’s an American-based company, so in theory there’s a more accountability compared to TikTok (owned and operated by China).
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TikTok is owned primarily by western investors and it's board is majority American. Usually I would be here to give the contrarian opinion that the government that is most likely to harm you is your own and that the majority of people would be better off with a non-cooperating country having your data. However, TikTok is just as likely to hand over user data to the US as Facebook is. It's the worst of both worlds.
It isn't fine for us. It might be fine for US politicians because Facebook is a US company subject to US laws.
to boil it down; "only our government gets to spy on us"
- Facebook is old and shown itself more and more shitty over time. TikTok happened to be this way from the start, as it's how users could allow it to be when it launched.
- TikTok is viral, no one cares about Facebook outside of Facebook.
- Rational and irrational dislike of distant China. Local issues aren't reacted on as much as they are routine.
- Both harm to the kids as it's popular with them most and cross-generational confusion between zoomers and older people.
- TikTok is not a classic social network with friends, groups, chats, blogs but more of a content platform with it's own distinct format of content, genres, them not being to everyone's taste.
I don't use neither. Not for security first, but rather because I can't find there something interesting for myself. Not my things.
Tiktok is considered worse because it's involvement with a foreign government.
Sure but this seems to be a thing in many countries, not just the US. I live in Australia, so both of them are involved with "foreign" governments. In fact, most of the social media people here use is owned by foreign companies
I'm in Asia. I can't speak for everyone but the people I know distrust the CCP much more than the US government. Sure, the US is far from blameless, but at least over here the CCP has a much worse reputation. I guess that's one factor.
Another is more than a few people seem to think Meta is strictly a private company while tiktok is somehow being used/controlled by the Chinese government.
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First, Facebook isn't "fine" by any measure - That's what you call a false premise. Tiktok sees more scrutiny generally, initially because of rightful skepticism of a platform beamed into children's brains, with partial ownership by the authoritarian government of it's parent country.
That initial well-founded distrust, along with things like this early on, "TikTok memo directed censorship of users deemed ugly, overweight, or disabled, and banned users for livestreams that criticized governments" were then perpetuated by the lazy, ignorant blind racism from the American far right because they were tools to hate then by people like trump.
It's not, I don't use either of them.
I'm in my late 30s and nobody I know thinks Facebook is fine, including the few people I know that still use Facebook.
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