She is absolutely not wrong.
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But then voters might ask why Democrats haven't passed legislation guaranteeing access to abortion or reproductive health services in OVER FOURTY YEARS, during which they had super majorities more than once.
Start inviting questions you can't answer, and it's going to be a bad time for you.
Republicans will literally start hunting queer folks for sport and the white left is still going to find a reason why it means we should spend energy being mad at the Dems.
Maybe they should protect them. Or do you forget when a Democrat created "Don't ask, don't tell"? If you think they're innocent in all of this, you're deluded. I just happen to be old enough to remember their sins.
DADT was a huge achievement for gay rights.
I highly doubt you were old enough to remember or you wouldn't be shitting on it
You mean that thing that happened because the white left didn't vote and let Republican majorities in both houses happen?
The white left and refusing to accept that the world won't just do revolution without their doing even the sliverest minimum to participate in the direction of politics beyond bitching, name a more iconic duo!
Sorry, this has been going on for over four decades. You don't get to just blanket, blame white left. It's the entire Democratic party, from the states to the FED.
This is correct. The left is utterly incapable of unity on anything for the very good reason that unlike the right, it's a very loosely bound coalition in which each constituent interest group feels very little loyalty to the others. The result is that when we should be coming together to stop the fucking plane from crashing into the fucking mountain, we instead feel it necessary to trot out old internal grievances, back-stab, and in general form a circular firing-squad.
It's why the conservative minority in this country is about to turn us into a right-wing extremist autocratic shit hole even though we vastly outnumber them.
Democracies die when opposition fails to unite in the face of populist autocratic movements.
Alternatively, democracies thrive when people get fed up and demand change. Look at how opinions and even politics swung left after the barbaric, tragic killing of George Floyd. People should get angry about the fact it has been so long, women have gone unprotected nationally, and we as a nation have done nothing to protect abortion since Rowe. That should embarrass us as a nation.
While you are correct in one sense, you've also managed to completely miss the point in a way that to me seems deeply stupid, small-minded and idiotic.
I would ask you what part about my comment you didn't understand, but I can tell that the answer is "nothing," that you understood nothing, that you are utterly incapable of accurately rephrasing my argument, and that as such, you are a disappointing example of your sorry generation.
Lame. Absolutely lame stuff.
I would dispute your claim about there being a "circular firing squad." The firing definitely comes from a very specific direction. Politicians like Joe Biden run on progressive ideas (cancelling student loans, legalizing marijuana, healthcare reform, etc) and then all but drop those promises once they get into office. This is the real "backstabbing" in my opinion. These democratic politicians take massive donations from corporations, Israel, billionaires, etc. Who is going to get the most representation from these politicians? The voters or the donors? Four years later, liberals wonder why progressives aren't willing to jump in and vote for their guy again.
It's like a cycle. We get a blue wave thanks to young, minority, and progressive voter turnout, then those same voters become completely disillusioned after four years. Why? Personally I think it's because liberal (especially white middle class) voters subscribe to "vote blue no matter who," and it's been going on since well before Trump. They see the success of right wing candidates with total voter unity and think they can do the same thing with their superior numbers. However, these liberal voters get too invested with can we do this when they should be thinking about should we do this.
I personally think this mentality has given Democratic politicians a license to ignore their voters, because they essentially have a monopoly on votes from anyone who is not a crazy fascist. This in turn leads to the same repeated stalled progress and disillusionment. As long as Dems don't piss off their base too much, they can maintain this position forever while also providing a ton of value to their donors.
All of this has led me to believe that ranked choice voting may be the best thing we could do to turn our country around, because it would give third party candidates an actual shot and force Democrats (and maybe Republicans) to actually compete for votes because voters would feel more freedom to vote their conscience without pissing their vote away. If there are any initiatives in your state to put ranked choice on the ballot, please get involved.
50 years. Roe v Wade happened in '73
Fair enough, I'm older than I thought.
And why addressing it only comes up in election years?
Sadly the donor class doesn't hold the same values as the rest on the left, so politicians are rarely held to the standards they set. On both left and right in the US. That's how the right dupes poor people into thinking they'll get help and that help never comes.
That's how the right dupes poor people
This isn't exclusive to the right. Democrats do the same with promises of healthcare, education, wages, housing, and equality.
I don't disagree with how you feel about the Democrats, but anyone who was going to ask that question has already asked that question. Your standard-issue lib-dem is gonna get fired up hearing Democrats talk about abortion rights without thinking too hard about how we got here.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Asked by CBS News “Face the Nation” anchor Margaret Brennan if Biden, who is of Catholic faith, needs to talk about abortion more, Whitmer said, “I think it would be good if he did.”
Whitmer argued people want to know their president “is fighting” and suggested more “blunt language” could be helpful.
Brennan asked Whitmer if she believes this is a “legitimate promise” to voters, as Biden “doesn’t talk about abortion much.”
Biden is the nation’s second Catholic president in history and often attends Saturday evening mass with his family near his home in Wilmington, De., or in Washington, D.C. His faith has come into the spotlight at times when dealing with certain issues central to the Democratic Party but opposed by the Catholic Church, including abortion and transgender issues.
Conservative Catholic bishops have expressed issue with Biden’s support for abortion access, a view that sparked calls for the church not to offer him communion.
As a practicing Catholic, Biden said in June he is not “big on abortion” but believes the Roe v. Wade decision “got it right.”
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Biden is anti-abortion, at least softly. He's not speaking up about it for that exact reason. This is exactly what you get when you elect a centrist instead of a progressive, and if you think this is bad just wait until you hear how badly he's shitting the bed on climate change. History will not remember this man fondly, even if it was donald trump who lowered the standards to literal dogshit and convinced the DNC to overlook bernie's massive movement for a establishment "democratic" politician who used to be a segragationist and who had trouble staying awake during the debates. I'm voting green party needless to say but riots are probably the better answer at this point