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Junior Bake Off final was "coronation" themed. Ilhām, 10, was asked her opinion of the monarchy, I can't believe they aired her answer, but she gives me hope. (i.imgur.com)

submitted 10 months ago by DessertStorms@kbin.social to c/leftism@lemmy.world

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[–] Kalkaline@lemmy.zip 146 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You can't expect to wield supreme executive power just because some watery tart threw a sword at you

[–] zcd@lemmy.ca 85 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Strange women laying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government

[–] PapaStevesy@midwest.social 57 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

If I went around, claiming I was an emperor, cuz some moistened bint lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away!

[–] Skanky@lemmy.world 30 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Shut up, will you??? Shut up!!!

[–] NielsBohron@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Oooh, now we see the violence inherent in the system!

edit: I thought this line and this exchange was funny back when I was a religious, white, male teenager in a conservative part of the US. Now that I've grown up and seen enough injustice and evidence to become an anti-theist socialist living in a different (but still conservative) part of the US, it hits a little too close to home to be truly funny.

[–] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I mean the others haven't proven much better...

[–] NielsBohron@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

"[I]t has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time"

[–] Pat_Riot@lemmy.today 80 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Best thing I've seen this morning! Bravo, kiddo, never lose that!

[–] DessertStorms@kbin.social 63 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Right?
Watching it "live" yesterday my jaw just dropped, the kid before did the expected "yeah, I love the royals" and Harry Hill made a joke about maybe not wanting to go on holiday with some of them which I thought was already quite risque for a kids show, but then Ilhām comes out with that and it absolutely made my day. I have a feeling (and hope!) that's not the last we hear of her..

[–] littlebluespark@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Could y'all send her across the pond, please? We could do with a bit of her in US politics, especially considering 90%+ of the current elected officials behave younger than she is...

[–] DessertStorms@kbin.social 6 points 10 months ago

We're in pretty desperate need ourselves tbf...

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 67 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The kids are alright.

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 3 points 10 months ago

The Offspring would like to say otherwise

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 42 points 10 months ago (1 children)

For as in absolute governments the King is law, so in free countries the law ought to be king; and there ought to be no other. But lest any ill use should afterwards arise, let the Crown at the conclusion of the ceremony be demolished, and scattered among the people whose right it is.

-- Thomas Paine

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

Thomas (bring the) Paine

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 39 points 10 months ago

"You wouldn't want a revolution" spoken like the rich are sacrificing themselves in every indulgence so we don't have to.

Now ~~Lemmy~~ lemme eat cake! ... or whatever it is you are preparing.

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 28 points 10 months ago

That little girl rocks!

[–] Chairsareoverrated@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago

Good for her!

[–] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 10 months ago

Hope she baked a cake in the form of a guillotine

[–] Brekky@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Isn't this on channel 4 now? Not really surprising considering they do the alter atuve Christmas message and have done since like the 90s.

[–] DessertStorms@kbin.social 18 points 10 months ago

Ch4 like to pretend to be progressive, and they absolutely do push boundaries more than the other channels, but under the thin veil they're just another neoliberal mouthpiece. So yeah, while it's not that surprising that of all the channels it's on 4, even for them, it's bolder than they would normally allow.

[–] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

that kid's going places

[–] ZMonster@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Love his reaction,

😬

[–] answersplease77@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

bravo and thank you.

[–] Ashyr@sh.itjust.works 8 points 10 months ago (3 children)

That guy's condescending mugging with every reasonable statement she makes is infuriating.

[–] DessertStorms@kbin.social 49 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

As I've mentioned in other comments, the guy is openly ant-monarchy, his facial expressions aren't of derision, this is filler on a kids show, not a political interview. If he'd agreed with her the whole thing would have never made it to air.

This is about her, why can't we keep it that way?

[–] deweydecibel@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

And frankly, even without knowing he was anti-monarchy, those reactions didn't come off as condescending to me. Read it as surprise, and perhaps a little nervous she'd say something more that'd have to be cut, but not condescending. He's clearly smiling.

[–] obinice@lemmy.world 32 points 10 months ago

That's just the character he plays for his comedy, he's not actually disagreeing with her here. You could consider his facial expression to mean "That's a controversial opinion to air on a baking show", but only because if he didn't ape that response they'd probably not have sent it to air haha.

[–] EnderMB@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

Uhhh...you should probably read about Harry Hill.

[–] FluorideMind@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

Based

[–] ABoxOfPhotons@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

I dont know who won this but if it wasn't her, i'd be angry.

[–] Napain@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago

based

[+] Just_Pizza_Crust@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (4 children)

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[–] DessertStorms@kbin.social 22 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I thought it just means passionate, is there more to it than that?

E: seems like it also means agitator or trouble maker, TIL.
Personally I'd take it as a compliment, but I can see what you mean about it being problematic.

[–] Mamertine@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

I thought a decent number of people in the UK thought that same way.

In modern society, it's absurd that the UK is governed by a monarch. Even if it's just on paper and a ceremony.

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Not familiar with that host but he definitely was at least going for "visibly uncomfortable". Whether that was purely for entertainment or real or whatever, "firebrand" is not at all a compliment in that case.

But also... it is completely accurate for what she was saying. She was speaking a very left-wing perspective regarding the inherent injustice of a hereditary monarchy whose (brain farting: Fancy term for "justification to rule" that is usually divinity based) is based solely on being warlords a few centuries ago. And she lightly calls for revolution. That is a "left wing firebrand" by definition and is only a negative if people don't want that.

[–] DessertStorms@kbin.social 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Not familiar with that host but he definitely was at least going for “visibly uncomfortable”. Whether that was purely for entertainment or real or whatever,

I assumed from what I know of him he would agree with her, and a quick look brought up a recent interview with him titled Harry Hill: 'I am a bit anti-monarchy at the moment, so it was almost certainly a reflection of what he assumes the general public's/his bosses reaction would be, not his own.

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Makes sense. He is INCREDIBLY abuser adjacent (to the point it mostly feels like people forgot to name him during that special last year) but noel fielding has given some decent interviews about how manufactured the hosting tends to be and even the stupidity of needing to record "american" versions of a lot of clips.

Had a bit of a laugh at the "we've never had one of those on bake off before" bit. Since they have definitely had some comedians and entertainers who have said MUCH stronger statements. Just... not while they are getting a paycheck for flailing about while trying to follow a recipe card.

And yeah. It is fascinating, and kind of horrifying, how hardcore the royalist propaganda has gotten since slick lizzie keeled over. Any time you mock the royal nonce or acknowledge the active censorship by both media and law enforcement you get the swarm of royalists coming out of the woodwork. Even on lemmy.

Tangential: But it has been REALLY fun to watch the "silent" purging happening at sites like resetera. Whether it was pretending that sexism is the reason they cracked down on the c-word that makes women angry (which I don't disagree with but it was very clearly being used by brits and commonwealth folk to shit on the UK government) or how people who are critical of brexit tend to suddenly be banned for "being an alt".

[–] OurTragicUniverse@kbin.social 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

He is INCREDIBLY abuser adjacent

Can someone explain what this is about please? And Noel Feilding to, going by another comment?

(I don't watch this show and am confused)

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

It has been an open secret for a decade or two that russel brand was a real fucked up individual. Last year-ish, Channel 4 et al dug up the receipts on that and did a really solid piece on just what a rapist piece of shit he is and now brand is about as toxic as jimmy saville (so basically wait until the heat dies down, put the rapist back on tv, and explain that he needs to make all his victims sign NDAs. But right now it is hurting his bottom line).

But what wasn't covered is that, again, this was an open secret. Anyone with any awareness of UK media knew brand was a piece of shit and many female comedians outright "vague posted" about him over the years. And a lot of that is because noel fielding and russel brand were infamous for "partying" together, "chasing" teenage girls, making abusive/rape "jokes" to everyone around them, constantly cheating on their girlfriends, etc. They even had some... really fucked up even for the time nicknames.

One of my favorite female british comedians (who deleted the tweet after getting massive amounts of harassment) summed it up with (paraphrasing): "Good job but you forgot his goth doppelganger"

[–] OurTragicUniverse@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago

Wow that's fucked up. I stopped keeping up with tv and pop culture stuff over a decade ago now and had no idea about most of this.

In hindsight, I really can't say I'm surprised Feilding and Brand were hanging out, or that both are misogynistic rapists. I knew far too many guys just like them back in the 2010's and it was very normslised behaviour.

A lot of men behave that way and get away with it their whole lives as they aren't famous, so I'm glad that at least it's public information and they're being called out in this case, even if it's not amounting to much beyond that.

Thanks for explaining!

[–] DessertStorms@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago

Glad to know others have also noticed Noel's glaringly obvious absence from the whole abuse conversation.. I'd not heard the interview you mean, but it doesn't surprise me at all. And lets be fair - on a kids version they're going to have to be a hundred times more careful about what they say..

I'm sure some of the regular contestants have been leftists too (I'm no good with names but a few faces come to mind), they just never get asked about it!

I avoid a lot of the places where I would have to put up with royalist opinion, so I've not come across too much of it but again, it's no surprise, when you're made to believe that the monarchy is part of who you are it can be hard to hear anything negative said about it.. But also, there's no denying the shift in mood, and hopefully it keeps shifting and who knows, maybe Charlie will be the last ever king.. 🤞🤞

Never heard of resetera, google says gaming forum, not the first place I'd think of as pro-monarchy, but you learn something new everyday lol

[–] snooggums@kbin.social 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I think the term you are looking for the divine right of kings.

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 1 points 10 months ago

Definitely. I want to say there was some fancy latin term (probably "dei grati" but that doesn't sound right) but that is indeed the concept I was thinking of.

Thanks