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This is straight-from-Hitler genocide inciting rhetoric. And 82% of Republicans agree

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 33 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Jesus Fucking Christ, who are these asshole Democrats and Independents?

[–] Potatofish@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Poll a bunch of old white people the chances of them being racist garbage goes up.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I know, but it's hard to picture their way of thinking- "Yeah, I voted for the guy with the African dad, but Trump is right about immigrants poisoning the blood of America!"

[–] silence7 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

There's a big chunk if Americans who want downward redistribution of wealth, but to whites only. I think that's what we're seeing

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, but those same people voted for Obama presumably, since they're Democrats. It baffles me.

[–] TunaCowboy@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

2008 vs 2024:

How many people are going to answer a call from 'unknown' or 'rando research center'? How many of these people are willing to take the time to provide answers to political questions to a stranger? Now, who do you know that fit this criteria and what kind of person are they?

[–] metallic_z3r0@infosec.pub 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I like to bear in mind the lizardman's constant when reading about polls like this. Never underestimate people's desire to fuck with data, sometimes just because they think it's funny.

[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It’s a poll. So, that means they only called people they wanted to call.

[–] silence7 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

When you do it right, there's an effort to make sure you have an equal chance of talking to everybody in the country. I have no reason to believe that this was not attempted here

[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Do you wait for evidence of wrong doing before you cast doubt on what you read in the media?

[–] silence7 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Poll isn't far off other evidence, and sponsored by a pair of reasonably reputable outlets, so I'm not not very inclined go suspect malfeasance

[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] silence7 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Long history of Americans supporting this kind of hate

[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago

Well, I can’t argue with that.

[–] DigitalTraveler42@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

First of all it's not half, it's 45%, which is the magical number of MAGA voters, some of which do identify as Dems and Independents but mostly as Republicans, so this makes sense as but holds true with the established patterns. Also with that said 55% of Americans most likely find this kind of rhetoric offensive and backwards.

With that said, 45% is still far too high, we need better education in America, but we also need to make it easier for folks to leave their insular rural areas to get away from their ignorant bigoted communities.

[–] Psionicsickness@reddthat.com 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

The inverse of 45% is 55%.

[–] Poggervania@kbin.social 6 points 10 months ago

Ackshually, it’s the complement - 45% is the main collection of the set of US voters we’re looking at, so the other 55% would be the rest of the set 🤓

But I digress - that is still a frightening amount of people who believe in the whole core belief of Nazism.

[–] FlowVoid@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The inverse of 45% is 100/45, approximately 2.22

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago

What if I told you you shouldn't be surprised. January 6th, wasn't even the first plotted coup attempt Republicans had worked on. They've been at this for nearly 100 years. Originally intending to overthrow the United States government. At roughly a similar time Hitler initially tried to overthrow the German government.

One of the few reasons they didn't is a largely unsung American patriot named Smedley Butler. Who warned FDR about the plot. FDR even though he was one of our greatest presidents of the last century and did a lot of good. Ended up managing to shit the bed on this. Instead of calling out the fascists, rooting them out and prosecuting/locking them up. Cut a deal with them. In order to temporarily get new deal policies passed. Only to have the son and grandson of the man they most likely intended to install as America's fascist dictator become presidents. The son who himself was a man in heavy support of American international terrorist activities. Enabled and then pardoned one of the greatest American international terrorists of the 1980s.

We shouldn't be surprised. We've had a century of constant warnings. Trump being the most minor one of all. But somehow the only one most people managed to catch. I blame the whitewashed history we teach in America.

[–] teamevil@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

Pretty sure agreeing with Nazis should be enough to have your right to vote revoked.

[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Here are the full poll questions for anyone actually interested in data over headlines.

https://www.scribd.com/document/698811992/Cbsnews-20240114-1-SUN-updated

[–] EarWorm@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Thank you! I can't believe that news sites would publish articles like this without a reference link, or even the sample size.

[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 7 points 10 months ago

Well that's frightening.