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Data on search engine market share is available, but I wonder what that looks like for Lemmy users in particular, who I would assume lean more technical than the average user, so probably use DuckDuckGo and alternates more than Google.

I use a mix of DuckDuckGo and Kagi. I'll also use ChatGPT, which can be good if you're careful to verify the answers it gives you as a check against hallucinations. It's useful for short, direct answers without ads or SEO bullshit.

This article on Ars (and if you're not a subscriber, you absolutely should be, as they are the best tech journalists out there) inspired the question: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/06/google-admits-reddit-protests-make-it-harder-to-find-helpful-search-results

Fucking Reddit. Enshittification ruins everything.

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[–] Kir@feddit.it 12 points 1 year ago (10 children)

I don't understand why lots of you answer with chatGPT. It's not a search engine! And you shouldn't use it like a search engine.

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[–] newtraditionalists@beehaw.org 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] eight_byte@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Kagi. Very happy with it. Best $5 it recently invested. Gives me much better results than Google and all the others.

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[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I use mostly either ddg or brave search. I miss the google of pre 2010, when the majority of its results were good.

I also use Yandex whenever I'm looking for pirate stuff, the only engine that doesn't block those kinds of results.

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[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Self-hosted Searxng. It's shared to multiple people which kills a lot of the usefulness in Google or others trying to track my instance.

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[–] mollusk@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I run my own searx instance

[–] jadenity@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

As someone who's only recently heard of SearXNG, why searx and not SearXNG?

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[–] xray@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago

DuckDuckGo. Google if DDG isn't cutting it.

[–] Silejonu@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

DuckDuckGo, but mostly because of the !bangs. I do 90% of my searches through StartPage (!s), and the rest directly on a few websites (Wikipedia, YouTube, Arch wiki...).

[–] ayla@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

I switched to DDG almost entirely because of the !w bang — Google massively downranking/hiding Wikipedia links made it a lot less useful to me.

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[–] rnd@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago

DuckDuckGo for me personally.

[–] yousefsh98@mstdn.games 3 points 1 year ago
[–] kamen@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I've been using DuckDuckGo as my main search engine for the past couple of years. I occasionally fall back to Google.

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[–] ian@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

https://www.marginalia.nu/

Currently down for updates, but does a great job of avoiding SEO abuse/blog spam/etc. Takes you back to the earlier days of the internet when it felt like there were more forums/individual sites/etc. They’re still out there, just hidden under all the junk.

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[–] kuchaibee@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago

DDG for everyday usage. Sometimes I try searching the same things on google just to compare results. I've tried searxng instances on and off in the past but its rarely been reliable for me and self hosting isn't really an option for me.

[–] LinkOpensChest_wav@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago

I'm still looking for a search engine that doesn't use data from my IP address to provide targeted results. In the meantime, I've gone back and forth between using SearXNG instances and using Startpage, but there's really not a decent search engine in existence, from what I can tell.

[–] QuestionMark@vlemmy.net 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Currently DuckDuckGo, but I will switch to SearXNG because of this.

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[–] PeterBronez@hachyderm.io 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

@SemioticStandard Kagi. I used DDG for a long time, and Kagi is strictly better. Specifically, it’s very snappy and I trust the privacy guarantees even more since I’m a paying customer.

[–] Nankeru@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Kagi, hands down, is by far the best search engine I've ever used (next to Neeva, which got bought and shut down) without looking for Reddit results all the time.

Just simple searches like "Best gaming headphones" or "Realtek Driver Download" and comparing them with Google, Bing, DuckDuckGo, Brave, Startpage, etc. shows how the quality of the results are far superior.

And you can directly define, which sites you'd like to see higher / more results of or less - or even completely block or pin them to the top.

Also, it also shows you directly, before visiting a site, in colors if a site has a very high number of ads and/or trackers.

And they support for power users custom CSS to adjust everything, URL rewrites (e.g. change all Reddit URLs to old.reddit or to automatically open libreddit or archive.org versions), DDG and custom bangs, and much more.

Lastly, I created a so-called "Lens", which allows me to search Lemmy / Kbin content only (also still have one for Reddit).
Meaning with one click, it shows me results from only sites or keywords I've defined - see image.

Very satisfied with it, can only recommend.

(copied from another thread I replied to)

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[–] Goronmon@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

...I trust the privacy guarantees even more since I’m a paying customer.

How effective is this stance? While using a service for free basically guarantees there are privacy concerns, paying doesn't directly provide any assurances. They can both charge you money and sell your data.

But Kagi seems pretty expensive, and too reliant on Bing/Google search pricing to be a long-term solution.

[–] SpacemanSpiff@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

I use Kagi too, it’s surprisingly snappy! Like seriously impressive for a small org. They talk about speed optimisation being critical for them as well. I find the result to be excellent as well. A true Google replacement/feels like Google in its prime.

I believe they have their own index and bot as well?

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[–] billy4479@feddit.it 3 points 1 year ago

i use brave search (even if i'm on firefox), it gives good results while having an independent index

[–] sorchist@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

I've been using DuckDuckGo since, at least 2010, maybe earlier. If its results aren't up to snuff, I'm not aware of that because they're what I'm used to. I fall through to Google ( !g) if I think there might be more out there. The bang commands are so good. I use DDG as my main search in my search bar and then I can use the bang commands to get to whatever specialized search I want from there. It's a meta-search-engine.

[–] LordChaos82@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago

I use my selfhosted Whoogle instance for search

[–] Usernameblankface@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Google, duck duck go when I don't want to see ads for days based on what I'm searching, Bing and Perplexity when I want to avoid doing a series of searches to learn something.

[–] jherazob@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

I use DuckDuckGo, but mostly as a "terminal to the internet". In a few keystrokes i've opened a new tab, navigated to the homepage (https://start.duckduckgo.com/), then used a Bang to do a direct search inside the particular site or thing i need. For many things specially tech questions i do fall back to Google though

[–] acow@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Are you using DDG in addition to Kagi because of Kagi's limited number of searches per month, or because DDG does something better?

I'm a bit conflicted about Kagi because $5/month is a plausible price, but the limited number of searches seems like it would add an extra step of, "Do I want to use my limited search resource on this search?" to every search, which is an unwanted extra bit of friction.

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[–] chri_ho@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago

I am a long time DuckDuckGo user. I came for privacy and stayed because of the features.

[–] kalipike@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago

I'll give a search on Duck Duck Go, and if I can't find what I need then I'll use Google.

But at this point I'm using Google Bard and ChatGPT more and more, at least at work.

[–] nachtigall@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Qwant (but I hate all search engines nowadays)

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[–] crab@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

duck duck go on firefox.

[–] lentilhoarder@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Thanks for making me aware of Kagi, I've been trialing it and getting decent results is a breath of fresh air in a world of blogspam and LLM garbage.

[–] Gimletson@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

DuckDuckGo for general searches
Google for image searches
Google maps for local businesses (including their website)
BingGPT for simple research answers (e.g. What door closers will fit on a Norton 1600 bolt pattern?)

[–] PlushySD@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

Duck Duck Go too

[–] JeSuisUnHombre@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

I've been using Ecosia for a while and liking it. I think the results are usually better than Google and the image search is way more useful, still gives you direct links to the image files. Though most importantly I like planting trees.

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