One of these days I gotta try a Linux without SystemD, just to see if it was worth all the fuss. When I started my Linux journey SystemD was already the default on most distros normal people would use (Debian, Ubuntu, Arch, Suse, etc.) and I just never bothered exploring, despite all the bad things (tm) said about SystemD in Linux forums.
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To me it's not about systemd being bad, just a case of it being hella complicated if compared to something like runit. Its reach is so huge it's overwhelming for my poor brain to grasp.
It's not you, it's me kind of a deal haha
it’s overwhelming for my poor brain to grasp.
What do you mean? Source code? Usage?
Usage.
Been a while since I last messed with it and my Linux skills (damn that sounds corny) have improved over the years. But when I used to drive a systemd distro there would be some service that would stall and I just could not make it work as intended, remembering my frustrations.
some service that would stall and I just could not make it work as intended
I currently have some 2 user services for GUI apps always failing even though I added the graphical dependency services. Dependencies are prob the issue, and/or some issue NixOS config -> systemd.
How has been your runit experience in comparison? s6 looks interesting
How has been your runit experience in comparison? s6 looks interesting
It's dumb, rather silly in comparison and it does nothing other than keeping services going - on Void Linux you symlink your services from /etc/sv/{service-name} to /var/services/ and there it goes off doing its thing.
https://docs.voidlinux.org/config/services/index.html#basic-usage
Systemd could probably provide some fancy features on my system but it's a simple procrastination-station and so far I've not come up with anything I'm missing. Very happy camper.
(Lemmy is acting up for me)
Seems pretty minimal and straightforward; nice. Are on GNU libc or musl?
Xbps <3
Did musl for a while, got tired of incompatibilities, have been running glibc for years now :)
GNU Guix System which uses Shepherd is pretty interesting. Other inits I find mostly useful for resource constrained devices
IMO, it's only useful for very memory-constrained systems. Systemd is pretty big and internally complex, but it's consistent and easy to use. My only SystemD-free system is AntiX on a netbook.
Ey, that's cool. I don't like systemd.
Is there any noticeable benefit to the end user from not having systemd though?
There's some speed and security benefits, if they're noticable I don't know.
https://www.infoworld.com/article/3159124/linux-why-do-people-hate-systemd.html
Ooh, nice!