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[–] paris@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 10 months ago (7 children)

And since they're travelling along predetermined routes without human intervention, we could even give them their own dedicated lane that's more direct. That would free up traffic for normal people and streamline deliveries for these trucks.

And while we're at it, if they're already going on dedicated roads, why not make those roads more efficient? Rubber on asphalt damage is expensive to repair. Steel wheels on steel tracks are even more efficient and better to maintain.

And since steel tracks can handle so much more wear, we could actually make the trucks super duper overpowered and have them tow like 100 boxes at a time instead of just one or two.

And since steel tracks are conductive, we could actually electrify those rails to power the super duper overpowered track truck so it doesn't have to stop to refill for gas. Now we're combatting climate change at the same time.

At scale, humans are a lot like cargo actually. We could have dedicated track trucks to move large amounts of people from core parts of cities to other core parts of the same or other cities. Then we could reduce car and plane usage too.

Track trucks is a bit of a dumb name though, so maybe we should call it something more relevant. There's an Old French word "trahiner" that means "to pull/draw" so maybe something like that? Trainer? Or maybe just train? I think train sounds cool.

Too bad nothing like this exists or will ever exist πŸ˜”

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 7 points 10 months ago

While yes, absolutely more trains, you can't build track from door to door. There will always be a need for transportation between train depots and your start/end locations.

[–] doppelgangmember@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Trains all the way, 100%

...

BUT

Thanks to "cost cutting" policies cargo trains in America are now miles long sometimes with only 1, MAYBE 2, workers. A conductor and an Engineer. But now they are cutting that to just the Conductor dong the Engineer position too. Meaning they have to exhaustively walk for miles if anything breaks down and fix it.

These mile(s) long trains also disrupt traffic and pedestrians in urban areas when these long trains need to check-in at a station (hence a stopped train). Pedestrians often try to cross in some areas where this is frequent as it blocks their path and have to risk injury/death to cross the still trains.

Children even have to go under them sometimes to get by (see Figure 4 of source). Many have been injured/killed by accidental incidents like a train jolting forward for a second.

Another issue is less diverse railway routes because these long trains cannot utilize the sidetracks to get off the main track allowing other trains to get by. This causes a lot of traffic in the train yards and decreases any gains in productivity from being longer.

The U.S. can and should do better. These railway plans were literally written by a Train Tycoon/CEO who mapped out railway routes in his living room after work. He thought he knew more than the average workers, but he later admitted out of guilt in a talk that he "has blood on his hands" because of these policies he orchestrated.

More info below for those interested with sources to back these claims up.

RAIL SAFETY: Freight Trains Are Getting Longer, and Additional Information Is Needed to Assess Their Impact

Fin.

[–] SchizoDenji@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago

Except trucks can deliver to or pickup from your doorstep while if a train arrives at your doorstep, you're fucked.

[–] Maalus@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Casually ignoring the last mile problem and transport away from train infrastructure. You aren't building a train track to a village named "Shithole" to deliver lumber to a guy building a barn.

[–] CanadaPlus@futurology.today 2 points 10 months ago

I don't think anybody's mentioned that we actually have road infrastructure built, too. The US Eisenhower highway system is still a candidate for most expensive project in human history as of last I checked. Tearing it all up for rails would take a long time to earn itself back.

[–] Fiivemacs@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 months ago

They can build their own road then.

[–] kherge@beehaw.org 1 points 10 months ago

Great idea. Now we need to address the politics of who is paying for the new infrastructure, who will be collecting taxes on it across multiple boundaries (each with their own interests), and how to time share the tracks with others. Then we need to update regulations to help mitigate disaster scenarios in cases where hazardous materials are transported and compromised.

I am not dunking on the use of trains, that should absolutely be done. It’s just not as straight forward to implement when businesses think β€œthis is already here (freeway), and it’s cheaper and easier.”

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This doesn't make me feel safe.

[–] threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

In the long-term, this makes me feel safer. On average, humans are pretty terrible drivers, and robots don't get sleepy, drunk, or distracted. I just hope that there aren't too many high-profile crashes during the transition, which could lead to societal pushback of the technology. "Autonomous vehicle kills a human" is a much more shareable headline than "Yet another human driver kills a human".

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Yes, I think that eventually self-driving cars will be safer, faster, and work better in heavy traffic. If they can all talk to each other then they can drive at high speed, bumper to bumper, and coordinate lane changes, communicate road hazards, and stuff like that. But I also think we're a long way from that reality. As long as human drivers are on the road, the autonomous cars and trucks will still have to follow the basic rules that humans do, and be able to react to the unpredictable driving of bad drivers. I live in Washington, and it seems like about 95% of the people on the road here never even went through any sort of driver's training or driver's ed. These are the worst drivers I've ever seen, anywhere.

[–] CanadaPlus@futurology.today 1 points 10 months ago

Long term, yeah. I watch videos of self-driving car rides though. Not so much today.

[–] spacecowboy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago

Hmm I wonder if that’s going to bite them in the ass later.

[–] DigitalTraveler42@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

We saw how this goes in the Old Man Wolverine movie.

[–] CanadaPlus@futurology.today 1 points 10 months ago

That's kind of frightening, given how stupid driverless cars are known to currently be.