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[–] DemBoSain@midwest.social 19 points 11 months ago (3 children)

They're not wrong. Azov have been far-right extremists since the beginning. But imagine if a foreign country invaded the US and gained a sizable stronghole. We'd be arming right-wing militias to repel the invaders too.

They're a help now, but Azov will be a problem in the future.

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

They could just be fed to the cannon...

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 5 points 11 months ago

Point of fact: the right wing militias in the US are already armed.

[–] krolden@lemmy.ml 3 points 11 months ago

Azov are Nazis, but...

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Okay, and?

Russia is the pressing threat. Throw Russia out first, and retake Crimea. Then deal with Azov fanatics. That's what triage is; you deal with the big thing first, and then the smaller things. You don't treat an amputated finger while someone is gushing blood from a severed carotid.

[–] TrendigOsthyvel@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This play ruzzian propaganda so well. Just keep adding stories about nazis i ukraine and at the end, noone will be certain about whats true or not. Still, ofc there are nazis in ukraine, but that is true about all countries.

[–] Ooops@kbin.social 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Sadly I'm still pretty sure the most damage here has been done by Ukraine itself:

Yes, of course there are some nazis in Ukraine. Sadly every country seem to have some fringe right-wing morons. And using them to fight Russia, especially in a time when the offcial army wasn't up to the task yet, was understandable.

But that's not the main problem. The main problem is doubt that Ukraine will be able to handle them at some point when it's necessary. And when -to paraphrase Ukraine's then ambassador to Germany for example in 2015- the answer to the question if they realize that this can become a problem down the road is: "No, you are lying to help Russian propaganda! There are and never in history were any right-wing groups in Ukraine!" that's a pretty big indicator that they won't manage that problem ever. Because acknowledging it exists would have been the required first step instead of spewing insane rants.

[–] Tosti@feddit.nl -3 points 11 months ago

They were a movement that was an active militia (trained and armed) that took part in the elections and did not even get enough votes for a single seat in Parlaiment.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm not really sure what they're trying to raise as a specific issue here.

Azov are a part of the Ukrainian military. That's Ukraine's decision. If we give arms to Ukraine there's a good chance some of those arms will end up in the hands of Azov members.

There's not really any way to avoid that. We need to put diplomatic pressure on Ukraine to deal with the problem of far right extremists in their country (and, y'know, it would probably help if we were leading the way by doing more to deal with far right extremists in our own country), but abandoning them to the Russians just because they're not perfect paragons of progressive idealism isn't helping anything.

[–] deft@ttrpg.network -5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Bullshit propaganda supported by disingenuous supporters of this instance.

[–] filoria@lemmy.ml 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The Maple.... Propaganda?

Fuck off back to America