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[–] Mighty@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago (2 children)

can i replace "affordable" with "free" please? these are human basic needs. just give it to me.

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Okay, but unless healthcare workers, teachers, First Responders, construction workers, you, me, and everyone else is willing to work for free, it still has a cost, even if the government pays it. I agree that it should be a basic human right though...

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Clarification: OP is asking for these things to be "free". Free is if I start handing out hamburgers on the street, no strings attached. We already pay for these services, we pay the most of any country in the world, and we get worse results.

[–] okamiueru@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Are you... Hm.. Where to start.. Do you know the concept of taxes?

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Taxes which... pay for all of those. Not sure why you have to jump to condescension, I'm not being obtuse. Things cost money, and we pay for it either way, that's my only point.

[–] okamiueru@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

But... Maybe I'm the one being obtuse here. What was your point? Even though you pay for it either way, the difference for how that works out with taxes or direct expenses is the whole point of taxes

When someone says "college is free in most of Europe". It's wouldn't be a counter argument to say "well, it's not free is it, because its paid for with taxes". The people who would (without it being "free"), need to pay for college themselves, are not in the position to possibly cover that cost (college funds are irrelevant). But, since a skilled labour force is important and a value to society, it should be covered by everyone.

[–] Mighty@lemmy.world -2 points 8 months ago

Why? What does the one thing have to do with the other? There's always money for war, for bailing out banks, for lobbying... Thus there's enough money for basic human needs to be met without me working for nothing. It's a choice whom to give the money to.

But I agree to a certain point: if I don't need to pay rent, healthcare and education, I don't need to slave away in jobs that I don't want.

[+] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -19 points 8 months ago (6 children)

Affordable always seems to equate to government spending

[–] JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world 34 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Can't be having the government spending all our money!.

Oh? What's that? Lockheed Martin designed a new jet? We'll take 400 of them.

[+] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -14 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah the government has a bit of a spending problem. You don't see companies blowing though money as they don't want to go bankrupt.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You absolutely do see companies blowing though money and going bankrupt. All the time. Companies are always failing.

[–] RQG@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

In this case it is the government spending money from taxes paid by the people to improve the lives of the people who elected the government to govern the country to make it worth living in.

[–] kibiz0r@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago

Yes. Yes it does.

U.S. per-capita healthcare spending (including public and private as well as compulsory and voluntary spending) is higher than anywhere else in the world, with second-placed Germany trailing quite far behind.

On average, healthcare costs in the U.S. amounted up to $12,318 per person in 2021. In Germany that number stood at $7,383 - 40 percent lower. Yet, the U.S. lags behind other nations in several aspects such as life expectancy and health insurance coverage.

[–] Rolder@reddthat.com 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Doesn’t have to. Just need laws and stuff that say the owner of single family homes have to be single families (and not big corporations or landlords)

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I think a lot of families can't afford a home. This law would cause a huge amount of homelessness and lead to the suffering if many many people.

[–] Rolder@reddthat.com 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

In my mind the prices would go down if you don’t have big hedge funds and shit to compete with.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Prices are primarily controlled by demand that is why properties in areas that are growing are very expensive.

[–] Rolder@reddthat.com 1 points 8 months ago

Right. Block big landlords from buying up houses wholesale = less demand = lower price.

[–] SeeMinusMinus@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Instead of moving a few things around thinking it will make a lasting difference we need to move in a different direction. tbh Karl Marx really had something going on even if some of the people that read his stuff were complete assholes (cough cough Stalin).

[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 3 points 8 months ago

It implies the State, through the government, represents the country and deals with suppliers to achieve universal healthcare, education and housing goals.

But the State should always (must) be the primary provider for healthcare and education, although not denying private initiative but instead heavily regulating it to ensure safety and quality.

Health and Education are services, not for profit enterprises.

On the housing front, many countries own and manage large numbers of affordable housing projects and to great success. This isn't to say the housing market doesn't require an heavy regulatory, as it does.