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[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 32 points 10 months ago (3 children)

How about western countries, especially the US and Canada, for moving all their manufacturing to China? Don't they share responsibility?

[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The responsibility is on the government to create policies that discourage or tax carbon emissions.

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, but they've mostly been bought by lobbyists. Si there's that.

[–] Zpiritual@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The "communists" (hardly...) are bought by lobbyists?

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 4 points 10 months ago

I think you might have misinterpreted the context. I was referring to Canada's and the US government's.

Honestly, in comparison, China has been making much bigger efforts to curb emissions than all of North America combined. They've invested in public transit, planted more trees and heavily invested in an pushing EVs and many other steps to reduce their carbon emissions and even try to do more carbon capture.

Sure, their power plants are powered by coal but they're working on changing that as well.

And that's coming from someone who isn't a particularly big fan of China. (Me)

[–] MeanEYE@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Not only moving manufacturing to China but being car centric and very polluting themselves. In fact they are in top 3 polluters.

[–] kbal@fedia.io 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

There are better things to blame Canada and the US for than the unfortunate loss of all their manufacturing industry.

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 5 points 10 months ago

Oh of course. Like how Canada doesn't want to phase out oil exploitation.

[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yes they should share some of the responsibility. Their government should be trying to meet the same targets as everyone else.

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Did you watch the video, or just the headline? The argument is that China is doing more than other countries when it comes to renewables. And their pollution is much better when looking at per capita numbers.

[–] Kepabar@startrek.website 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I think the per capita measurement of pollution for China is not really an apples to apples comparison to other first world nations as so much of their population lives in poverty.

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

I didn't feel like the video was being entirely honest, but the comment I replied to just ignored the entire contents of the video, which is why I commented.

[–] Skua@kbin.social 2 points 10 months ago

China's per capita CO2 output is pretty much on par with the EU's now. Better than America, Canada, Australia, Russia, and others, but it's no longer actually that low