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Boeing urges airlines to inspect 787 Max planes for possible loose bolts::Boeing instructed customer airlines to inspect their 787 Max jets for loose bolts, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) announced Thursday. The request comes after the manufacturer discovered two aircraft with missing bolts in the rudder control system, raising concerns about faults across all aircraft. “The issue identified on the particular airplane has been remedied,” Boeing…

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[–] AnneBonny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 105 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I assume that this is supposed to be about the 737 Max and not the 787 Max since there is no 787 Max.

[–] Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world 66 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They use both names in the article 🤦🏻

[–] crsu@lemmy.world 63 points 10 months ago (1 children)

High quality journalism over at the hill. Probably written by AI

[–] cheesetor@jlai.lu 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Maybe, that could explain this :

"The 787 Max aircraft has faced significant safety scrutiny since it was removed from service following a spate of autopilot errors after it was deployed in 2018, including one crash that killed nearly 350 people."

This sentence makes absolutely no sense. If they are talking about the 737 Max, how can they confuse the MCAS system with the autopilot, and how can they cram 350 people in an aircraft that holds about 200 passengers ?

[–] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago

There were an extra 150 people killed on the ground where it crashed.

/s

[–] DreadPotato@sopuli.xyz 2 points 10 months ago

how can they cram 350 people in an aircraft that holds about 200 passengers

Ryan air figured this out apparently

[–] Even_Adder@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 10 months ago

Here we go again with the 737 Max.

[–] blackfire@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Shouldn't they have full inspections really regularly anyway. Where are the loose bolts????

[–] AnneBonny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 10 months ago (1 children)

FTA:

The request comes after the manufacturer discovered two aircraft with missing bolts in the rudder control system, raising concerns about faults across all aircraft.

[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Missing bolts in the rudder control.

Yikes.

Aircraft manufacture needs stricter oversight, I'd say.

[–] AnneBonny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 10 months ago

Government agencies tend to treat larger corporations with more deference, and that needs to stop. The standards are plenty strict, but they aren't enforced strictly and equally.

[–] PhantomPhanatic@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago

Inspection intervals are based on expectation of damage over time, not to verify if the installation procedure was properly followed.

Design requirements for airplane parts that experience rotation or are part of control systems are regulated to have locking features to prevent loose bolts from happening. If the initial installation was done improperly it could be a failure in quality control at Boeing. Or if they were installed properly but weren't designed with sufficient locking mechanisms it may be an improper design. Either way this could turn into an Airworthiness Directive which is when the FAA steps in to ensure safety.

[–] AdamEatsAss@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Yes and no. Airplanes are complex, the 737 max especially so. To check every bolt after every flight would be impossible, that would require every plane to be taken to a certified shop taken apart and inspected and put back together after every flight. There are inspection intervals and lots of scheduled maintenance that regular airline passengers aren't aware of. We only see the planes we fly on not all the ones temporary out of service for maintenance. These bolts would likely be checked during some scheduled maintenance but it seems that the bolts may be failing prior to the scheduled check, or they were never installed correctly. It's not likely a concern to passengers, the FAA (and most other global air regulators) requires all airlines to follow all manufacturer guidelines and recommendations within a certain amount of flights after an announcement like this. Also modern airplanes are very safe one missing bolt probably won't cause and immediate problem during flight.

[–] Ghyste@sh.itjust.works 11 points 10 months ago
[–] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

To think I wanted to work for these dummies back in college, in their civilian airliner division.

McDonnell Douglas really fucked this company up. Fuck you, McDonnell Douglas, and your shitbox md-80 as well.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 6 points 10 months ago

Yeah, I think the max really dug the 737 line's grave, and nearly Boeing's as well.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 5 points 10 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Boeing instructed customer airlines to inspect their 787 Max jets for loose bolts, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) announced Thursday.

“Out of an abundance of caution, we are recommending operators inspect their 737 Max airplanes and inform us of any findings.”

The inspection request entails a two-hour probe of the aircraft’s safety-critical parts for each of the approximately 1,300 787 Max jets in service, the FAA said.

The 787 Max aircraft has faced significant safety scrutiny since it was removed from service following a spate of autopilot errors after it was deployed in 2018, including one crash that killed nearly 350 people.

An FAA report in April alleged the company ignored warnings from engineers to ground the 787 Max after two deadly crashes in late 2018.

The company has struggled financially since the COVID pandemic, losing $1.6 billion in the third quarter of this year, citing a falling demand for new aircraft and a costly contract to construct the next Air Force One.


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