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Two days before the January 6 insurrection, the Trump campaign’s plan to use fake electors to block President-elect Joe Biden from taking office faced a potentially crippling hiccup: The fake elector certificates from two critical battleground states were stuck in the mail.

So, Trump campaign operatives scrambled to fly copies of the phony certificates from Michigan and Wisconsin to the nation’s capital, relying on a haphazard chain of couriers, as well as help from two Republicans in Congress, to try to get the documents to then-Vice President Mike Pence while he presided over the Electoral College certification.

The operatives even considered chartering a jet to ensure the files reached Washington, DC, in time for the January 6, 2021, proceeding, according to emails and recordings obtained by CNN.

The new details provide a behind-the-scenes glimpse of the chaotic last-minute effort to keep Donald Trump in office. The fake electors scheme features prominently in special counsel Jack Smith’s criminal indictment against the former president, and some of the officials who were involved have spoken to Smith’s investigators.

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[–] Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de 220 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's oddly pleasing that the slowdown in mail caused him pain/inconvenience.

[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 171 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

caused by none other than his own appointee DeJoy, whose entire goal in the USPS is to dismantle it and privatize it.... talk about reaping what you sow lol

[–] nix@merv.news 66 points 10 months ago (8 children)

Yet he’s still holding the same position for some reason… its baffling he hasnt been replaced

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[–] takeda@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago (2 children)

My USPS is normally quite good, and it was a drastic difference during that time. I'm so glad my state decided to also provide official drop boxes and a mechanism to track where my ballot is at any given time.

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[–] Veedem@lemmy.world 125 points 10 months ago (5 children)

I hope this is true so I can use it the next time my dad goes on some diatribe about how the democrats are ruining the country or how he couldn’t vote for any other than Trump in good faith.

If this is true, everyone who continues to support him is outright against our country.

[–] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 104 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You think this is gonna change a single MAGA mind? Your dad will just put his fingers in his ears and chant fake news.

[–] grabyourmotherskeys@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago (2 children)

My brother, a Canadian who is socially liberal, economically conservative, and virtually apolitical thinks the fake elector thing is bs.

He doesn't care if it did or didn't happen.

I am not saying this to contradict you. I am supportive of your point. This is unlikely to even remote reach most people in a meaningful way, let alone die hard Trump fans that somehow think he's a virile, brave, genius business person with big hands and an animal musk that Larry from Three's Company would envy.

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[–] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 61 points 10 months ago (45 children)

It's just brain washing. They keep saying the Democrats are ruining the country and if you don't vote for trump you won't have a country. They say it over and over nonstop until people believe it. They say it on Fox News they say it on tweeter. And they encourage their peers to say it. It's insane that it works so easily. I'm appalled and amazed at the same time.

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[–] SCB@lemmy.world 27 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If you click the article, you can hear recordings of this happening and read the emails where they plan it.

It's definitely true. Clear, unambiguous language is used throughout all evidence.

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[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago

That was the case even before this news.

[–] eran_morad@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago

Your dad is a total loss, bruv. Sorry - that’s just how it is.

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 117 points 10 months ago (4 children)

That should be the smoking gun right there. Wonder what kind of lies and bullshit they're going to throw at this one.

[–] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 107 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Idk I thought the live televised insurrection was going to be the smoking gun lol

[–] Poem_for_your_sprog@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago

"Let's have trial by combat!"

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 61 points 10 months ago (3 children)

There's so many smoking guns at this point you can field an army with them.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 37 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

I think everyone is so bumfuzzled because they didn't hide any of it. It was out in the open, live tweeting acts of treason. Smoking guns are really important when you didn't watch them load the gun, aim the gun, and shoot the gun. We all saw the entire crime in real time, and it's weird that justice is taking this long.

[–] DrPop@lemmy.ml 19 points 10 months ago

But the president has immunity.

The idea that a president is above the law is insane. Also ignorance of the law is not a get out of jail free card.

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[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 33 points 10 months ago

Wonder what kind of lies and bullshit they're going to throw at this one.

Bog standard "plug their ears and scream FAKE NEWS" with a dash of "rules for thee, but not for me".

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[–] charonn0@startrek.website 107 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

Two days before the January 6 insurrection, the Trump campaign’s plan to use fake electors to block President-elect Joe Biden from taking office faced a potentially crippling hiccup: The fake elector certificates from two critical battleground states were stuck in the mail

Reminder that Trump's Postmaster General sabotaged the post office's handling capacity in order to interfere with absentee voting.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 31 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah how come that everyone already has forgotten about that one? I remember people having problems with receiving critical medication (and that was just a 'side effect') because of this yet nobody's talking about it anymore

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago (1 children)

One of my biggest let downs with Biden is that he didn't fire that DeJoy asshole in the first week. I get that his team doesn't think he has authority, but they know there's a reasonable argument that they do. They should just fire his ass and let it play out, the other side certainly would.

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[–] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 74 points 10 months ago (4 children)

This man should not be able to run at all lol.

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 32 points 10 months ago (1 children)

He should be allowed to run ... for one hour a day in a special side yard away from the gen pop.

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 72 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Another opportunity to say all I really want is a plugin that replaces every instance of "Ron Johnson" with "That fucker, Ron Johnson."

[–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 38 points 10 months ago (1 children)

FoxReplace lets you set up custom substitutions like you suggest.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website 13 points 10 months ago (2 children)

..... I heard that exclamation point.

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[–] donescobar@lemmy.world 63 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I’m going to need all you libtards to show me where on the constitution it says that crimes are illegal or that presidents can’t commit a lil treason every now and then

Also, what’s taking so long to throw this shitbag in jail already

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[–] Xanis@lemmy.world 58 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Everyone keeps talking about how Biden will likely win against Trump. I don't disagree. Most of my concern is if Trump is allowed to run just how much more brazen him and his team will be.

Not to mention how dangerous his supporters may become. Cults aren't known for their logical and clear understanding.

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[–] badaboomxx@lemmy.world 45 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Hope that those with ties to this attempted insurrection get called for being traitors and be at least, banned yo get any work in government

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[–] Willy@sh.itjust.works 37 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (5 children)

Mike Pence is a national hero. he knew about these and said he wouldn't accept them even if delivered. he stood strong when thousands outside wanted to lynch him. As much as I don't agree with him, he is a true patriot. I don't think he gets enough credit. without his backbone we would be in an even crazier place.

[–] Subverb@lemmy.world 48 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Darth Vader didn't stop being a villain just because he killed the Emperor.

Pence did one good thing after years of killing Younglings.

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[–] ReluctantMuskrat@lemmy.world 40 points 10 months ago

Hero is too strong a word. It took far too long for him to tell anyone what happened and he hasn't once called out Trump for being a traitor or trying to overthrow our democracy. During the Republican debates this year he agreed he'd endorse the Republican candidate regardless of who it was, including Trump.

Pence could have been a hero but he's tried too hard to stay in the middle and not offend the MAGAts when we've really needed the truth.

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 29 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Pence just had a few more braincells than the rest in knowing the consequences of this action versus the probability of it actually succeeding. He's no hero. He's no Patriot. As always, he is a self-serving sociopath.

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[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Hero is the wrong word. He did the bare minimum as to not be a traitor. Which is something I guess given the state of the GOP.

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[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 37 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm so sick of donnie diapers not only still walking around a free man, he might get back into power again.

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago

I hope cholesterol wins soon

[–] Pratai@lemmy.ca 29 points 10 months ago

Watch how many people not named Trump go down for this.

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 28 points 10 months ago

Well, this makes it even more terrifying that this guy is running for office again.

[–] Octavio@lemmy.world 27 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Just toss it on the giant pile of smoking guns.

[–] NegativeInf@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Knowing this country, the pile is next to a school and in danger of collapsing like coal ash.

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Of course the pile of guns is next to a school in the US.

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[–] _number8_@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago (1 children)

what will he get up to next

[–] SlapnutsGT@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago

Next week on Shit Show: America

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 18 points 10 months ago

Ah, another great example of projection.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 12 points 10 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


The emails and recordings also indicate that a top Trump campaign lawyer was part of 11th-hour discussions about delivering the fake elector certificates to Pence, potentially undercutting his testimony to the House select committee that investigated January 6 that he had passed off responsibility and didn’t want to put the former vice president in a difficult spot.

CNN has obtained audio of Chesebro’s recent interview with Michigan investigators, and exclusively reported earlier this month that he also told them about a December 2020 Oval Office meeting where he briefed Trump about the fake electors plan and how it ties into January 6.

Chesebro also discussed the episode with Wisconsin investigators last week when he sat for an interview with the attorney general’s office as part of a separate state probe into the fake electors plot, a source familiar with the matter told CNN.

The emails show that Brown and the Wisconsin GOP official were instructed to meet Chesebro at the Trump International Hotel in downtown Washington to hand off the fake elector certificates.

The details from Chesebro put a finer point on how members of Congress, including a sitting US senator, were involved in making sure the electoral certificates for Trump ended up in Pence’s hands.

The January 6 committee first revealed last year Johnson’s involvement in trying unsuccessfully to deliver the fake elector certificates to Pence, who announced on the morning of the joint session that it would be unconstitutional to do what Trump wanted and unilaterally overturn the election results.


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