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Blinken calls out other countries for not demanding Hamas surrender and ‘stop hiding behind civilians’ (www.cnn.com)

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Secretary of State Antony Blinken on Wednesday called out other countries for not demanding Hamas surrender.

“What is striking to me is that even as, again, we hear many countries urging the end to this conflict, which we would all like to see, I hear virtually no one saying – demanding of Hamas that it stop hiding behind civilians, that it lay down its arms, that it surrender. This is over tomorrow if Hamas does that. This would have been over a month ago, six weeks ago, if Hamas had done that,” Blinken said during a press briefing at the State Department Wednesday.

“How can it be that there are no demands made of the aggressor and only demands made of the victim,” Blinken went on to say.

The strong comments from Blinken come as the United Nations Security Council continues to negotiate a resolution calling for a suspension in fighting and encouraging more humanitarian aid into the beleaguered Gaza Strip, and as the United States’ support for the resolution remains unresolved.

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[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 81 points 10 months ago (38 children)

To analogize with another ongoing conflict: the Ukrainian war could be over tomorrow if Ukraine unconditionally surrendered to Russia, but they’re sure as fuck not going to do that, nor should they.

Also, to be clear: I am absolutely not saying that Hamas are the good guys here. They are definitely not the good guys. But addressing an incredibly complex and nuanced situation in such a reductive fashion (“Hamas should surrender unconditionally right now”) is deeply unhelpful, and ignores why Hamas came into being in the first place, and why they further developed into such a threatening force in the region.

[–] RickRussell_CA@lemmy.world 55 points 10 months ago (5 children)

"We wouldn't have to kill so many civilians if the criminals would stop committing crimes."

[–] NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social 28 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The indiscriminate killings and beatings will continue until morale improves

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[–] vaalla@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 10 months ago

There are interviews with Ukrainian soldiers who said they stay away from civilians so that when Russians bombard them the civilians will not be affected.

I think the combat style and priorities are a bit different so a comparision cannot be made in this case.

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[–] Therealgoodjanet@lemmy.world 48 points 10 months ago (25 children)

Let’s invade a country, then blame the war on the people for fighting back and tell the world “well if they wouldn’t fight back there would be no war, so it’s all their fault really”.

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[–] echutaa@programming.dev 37 points 10 months ago (1 children)

“How can it be that there are no demands made of the aggressor and only demands made of the victim,” Blinken went on to say.

Israel has been the aggressor for decades now. They trapped these people, made it impossible for any economic opportunity, raided them daily killing indiscriminately, stole their land repeatedly and then want to play the victim when the provoked people fight back. Fuck off, Israel needs to return the land, end the blockades, and allow the investments it lied about, only then would it even be close to neutral. I hate hamas, but Israel made this bed

[–] snooggums@kbin.social 18 points 10 months ago

"And don't get me started on those Native Americans who kept fighting back against the US settlers who invaded their lands. Clearly if they had just agreed to a ceasefire everything would have been fine."

Aide whispers in ear.

"OK, if they had just agreed to one more ceasefire despite the US constantly breaking them then everything would have been fine!"

[–] blazera@kbin.social 28 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Gaza is civilian. It's a city, an extremely densely populated city. So if Hamas is anywhere in their own land, Israel can make this accusation. What bullshittery to think an invading country slaughtering your population gets to make demands of the where your military is allowed to be in your own country.

[–] ivanafterall@kbin.social 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's similar to the excuse Putin uses. He's just "defending Russian citizens in XYZ." It's cart blanche to do as you please where you please.

[–] mrnotoriousman@kbin.social 2 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I don't recall Ukraine going into Russia and murdering and raping civilians. Doesn't mean Israel has any right to slaughter citizens but these are not the same situation.

[–] groupofcrows@lemmy.ca 10 points 10 months ago

And if you go back far enough in time, Palestinians never did anything to the jews and yet Israel was created from from Palestine. Maybe Putin should have said the Russian sky magician had promised the land of Ukraine to the Russians, I hear thats very legal and binding.

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[–] SulaymanF@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago

What a stupid comment by Blinken.

If there was no Hamas, Israeli settlers would still be committing terrorist acts on unarmed Palestinians in West Bank and right wing politicians would still be threatening to tear down Al Aqsa. If Hamas vanished tomorrow, none of that would change. Netanyahu would still refuse to recognize a two state solution and would refuse to negotiate with Abbas or the PA. Gazans would be in an open air prison.

The Israeli military shot unarmed Palestinian protestors and the US State Department did nothing. Palestinians asked the international community for help to end their oppression and the Israeli government called it “diplomatic terrorism” and sanctioned Palestinians further. Boycotting Israel is illegal in US law. Why should anyone listen to the US State Department’s recommendations when they don’t even follow through?

[–] febra@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago

Dude, the US really has not shame left.

"wHy ArE tHe PaLeStInIaNs dOiNg ThIs To ThEmSeLvEs??"

Fuck these genocidal pieces of shit

[–] SinningStromgald@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago

If Israel would just stop being an ally of the US and receiving aid and weapons from the US none of this would have happened.

Turn about is fair play right Blinkers?

[–] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 12 points 10 months ago

If this was any other country, they would never say that as a foreign transgressor enters. However, Palestine is not recognized as a state. So Israel, presumably, has not declared war and is just killing civilians as a means to anti terrorism. Even the USA after 9/11 sought valid reasons for war, even if they turned out to be fabricated. Now the veil is gone.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

It's like saying that it was the fault of the Jewish Resistance for not surrendering unconditionally that the Nazis were killing residents of the Warsaw Ghetto.

Guess that at the end of WWII the US brought over a couple of Herr Goebbel's top employees in the Ministry Of Propaganda along with the rocketry and nuclear scientists. Certainly it would explain a lot...

[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

They're terrorists, not a country with a reputation and trading partners. They have absolutely nothing to lose. Demand all you want, I demand this rock turn to gold.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Lay down your arms and your oppressors will open theirs. Sure.

This is practically a blood fued that has been going on for longer than anyone has been alive. Literally since biblical times. No one has a good solution cause there is none. Pure example of an eye for an eye leaving everyone blind.

[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

There actually is a very simple solution - secular unification. It's very difficult to have sympathy for religious fundamentalists.

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[–] snek@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Someone should walk up to this man and slap him in the face.

[–] ivanafterall@kbin.social 8 points 10 months ago

I nominate you.

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