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“Most people who commit tax fraud go through their entire lives without anything happening. They don’t audited, they don’t get caught, they don’t get prosecuted,” she said. “But if they get prosecuted, they get convicted.”

Of the 665 cases that were referred for prosecution in 2021, about 90% resulted in a conviction, the IRS data shows.

They can be hashed out in civil court, with fines and penalties, rather than with criminal charges. Trump ally Roger Stone, for example, faced a lawsuit from the Justice Department over nearly $2 million in income tax in 2021. It was settled the following year.

Cases against celebrities and other high-profile people can also generate attention that helps convince other people to file their taxes on time, Moran said.

An October poll by The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research found that 35% of U.S. adults believe Joe Biden personally has done something illegal concerning the business dealings of his son. An additional 33% say the president acted unethically but did not violate the law. Just 30% say Joe Biden did nothing wrong.

Hunter Biden was indicted on three felonies and six misdemeanors, including filing a false return and tax evasion felonies, as well as misdemeanor failure to file and failure to pay. Hunter Biden, 53, could receive a maximum of 17 years in prison.


Video below is where I heard about this:

(Taxes, Firearms, Drugs, Information in Memoir)Hunter Biden Indicted on Felony Tax Charges, Comer Says DOJ Still Protecting 'The Big Guy' [8:59 | Dec 08 23 | Jessica Burbank/Spencer Brown | The Hill]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnUdc7pI-r4

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 62 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Republicans have this bizarre idea in their heads now that if Hunter Biden is found guilty of tax fraud, this somehow proves Joe Biden did something illegal. And they're going to try to impeach Biden for it too.

But they have convinced me to never vote for Hunter Biden if he ever decides to run for president. So... congratulations, Republicans?

[–] Starbuck@lemmy.world 25 points 11 months ago

Yeah, these indictments are absolutely devastating to Hunter Biden’s presidential campaign.

[–] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago

No, they just want to keep Hunter and his crimes in the media because most voters are stupid and will link Joe Biden with Hunter's crimes in their heads. Whether Joe Biden had any part in or knowledge of Hunter's activities or not doesn't matter, as long as if makes the GOP base and independents think less of Joe in the voting booth.

[–] rosymind@leminal.space 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Idk. I'd vote for Hunter over Donald if given the chance

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

I'd vote for a Swiss cheese sandwich over Donald. And I hate Swiss cheese.

[–] mrnotoriousman@kbin.social 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Considering the article says 2/3 people think he's committed a crime or acted unethically wrt Hunter it is clearly working

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

And yet they can't find a single thing that Joe Biden did which would suggest criminality. Which is actually pretty damn impressive for a politician.

[–] mrnotoriousman@kbin.social 3 points 11 months ago

Yeah pretty much a statement on the state of the country.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 24 points 11 months ago

If Republicans want to go after every case of rich person tax fraud I am more than for it. Let's go after every single one of them please.

Course something tells me they only want this one single person pursued.

[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's very simple, if you try to fraud your fellow citizens by not paying taxes, you should be punished. Would've liked to have seen it happen to Trump & Co. first, but I have no sympathy for Hunter Biden.

[–] NounsAndWords@lemmy.world 23 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I mean, he's dealt with a lot of deaths and addiction and now he's the biggest target of the entire Republican misinformation campaign...I feel a little sympathy. Send him to jail if he broke the law, but the asshole's been through a lot.

[–] Riccosuave@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Having gone through a lot of death in my early life, including the death of a parent, I can relate. The reverberations and consequences of that trauma can have far reaching affects that you really subconsciously internalize, and often aren't able to deal with until much later. Only now, in my 30's, am I starting to really understand the complexities of how my childhood affected me.

With that being said: Hunter Biden was DEFINITELY the product of nepotism that afforded him the opportunity to indulge his hedonistic tendencies in an attempt to avoid the pain of his trauma, and he likewise bears the responsibility for his unethical actions as we all do.

However, I think it is also quite clear that what is being done to Hunter is a direct attempt at using the judicial system in order to manufacture a false equivalency between the soft-corruption of Hunter Biden and the MASSIVE corruption of Donald Trump et al., which is obviously patently absurd. Hunter is not an elected official, and him falling on his sword will only serve to weaken Biden both personally and politically which is exactly what the fascists in the GOP are counting on.

[–] nocturne213@lemm.ee 6 points 11 months ago

And the gop only cares because his father is president. If Joe was still a Senator I doubt they would care.

[–] hark@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

He has been through a lot, maybe his father will reconsider the cold-hearted drug laws that he helped pushed which has destroyed countless other families. Oh wait, Joe is still against legalizing even cannabis because he's a hypocritical jackass. If Hunter wasn't Joe Biden's son, he'd have been rotting in prison long ago.

[–] OpenPassageways@lemmy.zip 15 points 11 months ago

Hunter Biden has not held and is not seeking public office.

After all this shit though, he probably should.

[–] dugmeup@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Oh look. The Merrick Garland DOJ has again been pressured by the GOP to do their bidding

What a pathetic AG. Biden needs to get rid of him and get someone who will take Trump seriously

[–] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 6 points 11 months ago

Garland appointed an independent council. That's what they do.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

he's always been a stooge for the GOP. always.

[–] hark@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Is that why Obama nominated him as a supreme court judge?

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

no. Obama nominated him as a concession to the GOP controlled senate. still, they didn't bite. We all know how that ended.

[–] hark@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, democrats pushed a crappy nomination and didn't bother fighting for even that and now we have a super conservative supreme court.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago

If we’re being honest, at that point there was nothing they could have really done to get some one appointed.

Repugnants had control and they decided to not hear any nominations at all.

Which, ‘ Member when Obama asked RBG to resign and everyone got all pissy, cuz “how dare you…!”?

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

Wow, Biden's DOJ sure is weaponized against the Republicans!

[–] nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I’m not watching a video from The Hill, but none of the summaries say anything about what this posts tilts’s so-called “political repercussions” could be.

[–] jimmydoreisalefty@lemmy.world -2 points 11 months ago

It is talked about in the section called:

What are the possible political implications?

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Look at you posting mainstream news and not junk about Bobby Jr or Cornel West.

Did they break your heart?

[–] blahsay@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

If Trump got the same scrutiny I'd imagine the tax department would almost explode 🤔😂

[–] HopeOfTheGunblade@kbin.social 4 points 11 months ago

Well, I certainly won't be voting for Hunter Biden!

What was he running for, again?

[–] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If he committed a crime, treat him like any other criminal. End of story. If Brandon did something illegal, bring it forward. Otherwise stfu.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago (3 children)

That's the thing. The IRS usually goes for paying the money back. You have to really dig in and refuse to get these charges normally. So they aren't treating him equally. They're going after him because of political pressure.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

exactly. Even the poors would just be fined and put onto some kind of payment/wage garnishment plan.

[–] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 10 points 11 months ago

He's paid his back taxes and penalties.

[–] MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

Yeah they literally had the standard plea deal for this set up and the Trump appointed judge just so happened to reject said plea deal. I'm all for equal treatment and holding the wealthy/powerful accountable, but that really doesn't seem to be what's happening here.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 2 points 11 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


WASHINGTON (AP) — Hunter Biden has been hit with new criminal charges in California accusing him of scheming to avoid paying his taxes while spending lavishly on everything from luxury hotels to escorts to exotic cars.

Defense attorney Abbe Lowell, for his part, said the taxes have since been paid and argued Hunter Biden is being targeted because of his father’s political position.

The average American has almost as good a chance of winning the lottery as being criminally prosecuted for tax fraud, she said, based on 2021 data from the Internal Revenue Service.

Many tax cases, though, are resolved before charges are filed, said Laurie Levenson, a former federal prosecutor and professor at Loyola Law School.

It’s taken on more urgency as Trump’s legal woes play out over his efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election and Republicans aim to undercut Biden’s ability to defeat his one-time rival once again.

An October poll by The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research found that 35% of U.S. adults believe Joe Biden personally has done something illegal concerning the business dealings of his son.


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