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Personally, I want nothing to do with them and I'm not willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. I moved to the Fediverse to get away from all these corpos.

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[–] JRepin@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

Judging from their past and all the bad actions they have done in the past, bad for democracy, privacy, minorities and marginalised people and how openly they have a far/extreme-right bias. Well I feel extremely negative about them joining in. They were also part of destruction of another open/federated protocol in the past: they played big part in destroying XMPP/Jabber messaging. So I am afraid they will do their usual embrace, extend, and extinguish thing and their surveillance capitalist thing and yeah. no good. Best to block their instances outright.

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[–] fratermus@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They are free to set up an instance. Not sure who would federate with them.

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[–] argv_minus_one@beehaw.org 8 points 1 year ago

My feeling about Meta joining the Fediverse is: 🚨DANGER!🚨

[–] fubo@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] SuperIce@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Is that necessary though? I feel like we should let them join. If they do something malicious, then we can block them. IMO, it doesn't make sense to just preemptively block them for no real reason.

[–] TrinityTek@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

They've demontrated their evil nature in the past, promoting divisive and inciteful material and anything to drive engagement for the sake of advertiser dollars. I don't think we need to wait for them to do it again in the Fediverse. Better to head that shit off right up front.

[–] Th4tGuyII@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Embrace, Extend, Extinguish. Microsoft did it before, we shouldn't let Meta do it now.

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[–] t0fr@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm trying to get away from Facebook and meta. I'd rather they weren't remotely near me at all

[–] axellenium@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Exactly my thoughts, I don’t trust meta or zucky’s leadership, their motives will always be profit over everything else

[–] ataraxia937@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Even if they were somehow not evil, the sheer volume would technologically destroy any instance that tried to federate with them.

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[–] ikiru@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

I guess I'll just go back to reading books and watching movies full time.

Fuck all of those tech giants.

[–] JoeKrogan@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They will datamine all federated users They will set up a CDN for uploads on their platform that will track you like v.meta.com or i.meta.com.

They will probably train LLMs off the data. They will sell the data to advertisers or data brokers. They will most likely have ads or pay to boost.

They will diverge from the standard once they have the majority of users like google does with chrome and the web.

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[–] hellfire103@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)
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[–] Codo 4 points 1 year ago

I’m here because I hate what meta and other companies are doing to the web, so I detest it.

[–] Th4tGuyII@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

It's the old Microsoft strategy again - Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.

They deserve a good boot up the arse before they put one up our's.

[–] Bicyclejohn@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Give meta the boot

[–] BlueDiamond@rammy.site 3 points 1 year ago

God fucking damn it. I wanted to get away from them.

[–] jimrob4@midwest.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

News story I looked up. Fuck Meta and all the other money-sucking bastards that want to commodify every breath I take.

https://fediversereport.com/meta-plans-on-joining-the-fediverse-the-responses/

[–] masterspace@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Meta is more likely to pull people away from Twitter than Mastodon is, and having all of Twitter be run with ActivityPub / open to federation is a good thing.

[–] averagedrunk@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

It's an easy fix. If an instance you're a part of federates with them then just move to a new instance.

Hopefully this will put instance blocking on the top of the list.

[–] reksas@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

we shouldnt let them in. they would have done decentralized service years ago if there was money in it for them. They either want us to stop or try to seize control in only way that can -> by worming in.

We must have zero-tolerance for corporations or we might as well just give up.

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[–] RedCanasta@lemmy.fmhy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

I think this is so interesting...

For a refreshing change, we have corporations coming to the users, not the other way around.

I'm deeply skeptical, but I'm glad communities and hubs have the power to block them outright.

[–] empireOfLove@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago

They see the fediverse trend gain9ng steam with the rise of Mastodon and go "Oh sheit we need to be on that for $$$". Proceed to embrace, extend, enshittify, and extinguish. Its nothing but Zuckerberg's gasping breaths to try and stay relevant as his company begins the very slow, but inevitable, backslide into technological irrelevance.

I will be leaving and/or blocking any instance that chooses to federate with anything related to Meta. They are antithetical to the entire foundation of the metaverse and they ruin everything they touch.

[–] lynny@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Corporations already joined the federated internet when they adopted the web.

Even if they wanted to, they can't take over the entire fediverse, that's the point.

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[–] KarsicKarl@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Will be interesting.
More likely to be noticed by calckey,misskey/friendica users who are on platforms.more similar to Facebook. Probably noticed by Mastodon users.

Not sure if kbin/Lemmy users will notice. This is based on me not noticing posts from these servers on Mastodon, calckey etc

[–] JakeBacon@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Pros

  • more attention to the Fediverse and all the advancement that may bring with it.
  • If the Fediverse ever becomes mainstream corporations will end up with their own content on it so having Meta join would provides early insight on how the Fediverse may be effected by becoming mainstream.

Cons

  • Some instances may not have the server load to support being federated with Meta
  • There's a decent chance it hinders healthy growth (Like a Cuckoo hatchling that starves out the bird's actual children.)
[–] datavoid@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

fuck that noise, absolutely do not federate with them

[–] Rolive@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Fuuuuuck no! This isn't actually happening right? This is just an idea I hope?

[–] otterpop@lemmy.fmhy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

To me it sounds like they are trying to Embrace, Extend, Extinguish the fediverse. I wouldn't doubt if at first they adopted it with all the standards then started doing proprietary crap

[–] smokinjoe@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

They can fuck right off.

All they'll do is centralize the decentralized.

[–] eta_aquarid@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Meta is a corporation with a really horrible track record

and even if they didn't, it's still a corporation; it only cares for profit

I have very negative opinions on them joining

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[–] Haily@rblind.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I didn’t know they’d joined. Do you have a source for this?

[–] Harlan_Cloverseed@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Block them or I’m gone

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[–] bappity@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

keep corporations OUT

[–] HealGirl@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Lmao want nothing to do with them. One of the reasons I’m here is to escape these dogshit corpos

[–] Zuberi@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

I say we just don't allow them on most kbin/lemmy instances. Let the people decide what info is bullshit or not.

[–] Terevos@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

In general, it's great when companies embrace standards and open source. Though in the case of Microsoft, they just did it to gain the market share (embrace, extend, extinguish).

I'm under no illusion that they would be doing it out of the kindness of their hearts or desire to be compliant with standards.

But..i also don't think I can criticize them yet for wanting to do so.

[–] MargotRobbie@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If Facebook behave and their instances have good moderation, they'll be successful. If they don't, they'll get defederated and turn into some niche twitter clone echo chamber like Truth Social.

Facebook is a company with great open-source tech contributions (React, GraphQL) but absolutely awful products (Literally every social media thing they've got their hands on), which is why they are desperately trying to turn their side project Oculus into their main product. And I think they, as the original "The Social Network" company, see the writing on the wall: that they either embrace federation and decentralization, or get swept away by it into the footnote of social media history.

Now, I don't think Facebook wants to JUST run an instance where they get to control everything. I think the most likely scenario is that Facebook will offer easy managed federated instance setup hosted on their own cloud servers for less tech inclined individuals and companies in the future, and they'll rebrand it as "the actual metaverse", which will finally end their tenure as an advertising company.

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