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A boob, a butt, or even some violence like one might see on the news anyway, I’m not freaked out about all that and I don’t feel the need to hide it from those around me usually… that’s all fine fine, but I don’t want porn on my feed like at all.

Editing for clarity here:

Those are all things that might get flagged NSFW that I don’t mind seeing in general. I’m not uptight about it, it’s just a little different to be inundated with hardcore pornography like… while on the train.

I joined a primarily social insurance, kbin.social. I am very open to what is in my feed, sometimes to the extremer ends of that. I just believe that porn is a separate thing entirely and should be separated in some way. I’m not opposed to porn, but there’s a reason it had its own room in the video store. And if you’re wanting to look at porn, there’s a good chance you’re ONLY looking for porn at that moment.

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[–] LoafyLemon@kbin.social 57 points 1 year ago (2 children)

A boob, a butt, or some violence like combat footage or the like are all fine, but I don’t want porn on my feed like at all.

Likewise, but I want porn and none the violence. Make love, not war! 🥵

[–] thanksbrother@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don’t disagree - but just during this whole Ukraine / Russia thing I’ve found myself subscribing to some things where I’m likely to see footage from the field. To me this is just informational and in some ways important to see, despite the fact that it is difficult to take. Horrors of war and all that. That’s a normal part of my daily news consumption while someone in a dog costume getting railed in an elevator at a convention is uh… well it is what it is, and I don’t want it.

[–] LoafyLemon@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That’s a normal part of my daily news consumption while someone in a dog costume getting railed in an elevator at a convention is uh… well it is what it is, and I don’t want it.

Oh, that's just terrible! Share the location of that post, will you? I wouldn't want to stumble upon it by accident!

[–] thanksbrother@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

Nice try compadre

[–] Narrrz@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

💯
I even find movie violence quite disturbing sometimes.
But not video game violence. That I'm perpetrating. I'm not sure if that says anything about me.

[–] aroom@kbin.social 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I had this conversation on mastodon a month ago:

NSFW is too broad for a tag. We should move on from it and redefined content warning tag specific to the content.

https://tooting.ch/@aroom/110243044941547673
https://tooting.ch/@aroom/110243567677517996

(Sorry I can’t find the convo my instance muted mastodon.social so posts are not being displayed. It’s a mess)

[–] thanksbrother@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Seriously… there are so many things considered occasionally NSFW. Curse words, nudity, violence, suicide, even on Reddit anything tobacco related. I am personally very tolerant of all content, but I have lines with both gore and porn that I just don’t want the content mixed in with my casual browsing. I wish everyone would just take it to lemmynsfw so I could filter it appropriately, but due to relaxed instance rules even a generally tame instance like kbin.social constantly has new specific groups for me to ban. Just today it has beenfurry cartoon porn, feet, celebs…

Reddit never got this right either, but it seems like such an easy problem to solve. There’s R-rated and there’s porn. Not sure if it’s a result of people being too prude or too loosey goosey, but it seems very obvious to me.

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[–] Itty53@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Any kind of tag you use to convey "sensitive content that may be offensive" will always become a meme. That's how human nature works and history proves it over and over.

Examples abound. Skulls and cross bones, the nuclear / atomic symbol, X ratings becoming XXX tags in porno titles, Parental Advisory Explicit Content .... this list keeps going on the closer you look. If a symbol, or a meme, is used to denote a warning, it will be co-opted by a subset of folks who will use it in ironic fashion. NSFW tags, "trigger warning" - all of these in the end are doomed from the very start to, at least in part, fail and have the exact opposite effect.

There's an interesting problem for nuclear researchers these days: how do you label a thing as dangerous in such a way that societies in ten thousand years will still recognize what it means? Because some of the shit they're toying with will be. They gotta think about it. Like even today the image of a skull means something very different depending on the culture that image is from.

[–] ListenHereToughGuy@kbin.social 24 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I don't want to be contrarian here, but I don't think we do. The title should be more than enough to determine the kind of nsfw it is. I'm not saying we don't need the feature, but I've never clicked a link thinking it would be porn and got gore or similar.

Porn doesn't usually come from communities that aren't porn communities so it isn't really ever an issue. An I off base here?

[–] Zak8022@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago

Remember when /all showed nsfw/porn threads? That was fun/scary/interesting. I’m not saying one way or another which is “better”, but ultimately having individual options might be best.

[–] Skrounge@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

For me the issue is, I want to be able to set a filter on /all where the porn isn't rocking up but the combat footage etc is.

[–] VoxAdActa@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I just want the NSFW thumbnails to be blurred out. I'm on Kbin, and I distinctly remember checking a box that said it would do that, but it doesn't do that. So I had to check the box to remove all NSFW from my feed, which I also don't want, but don't-want less than I don't-want my boss or my SO to look over my shoulder and see boobs in the "random posts" sidebar.

[–] Ataraxia@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

On jerboa even if it's blurred it is clear what the image is if it's an ass or a crotch or tits or something involving a pet 🤔... I don't want to see anything like that especially CP, blurred or not.

[–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

Maybe a better option would be some kind of uniform "avert your eyes" warning thumbnail. Probably would save a minuscule amount of server resources too.

[–] parrot-party@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's why I say we need a NSFW and a CONTENT_WARNING. The nice thing about content warning is that it's generic enough to have multiple uses. It can cover gore and death, but it can also cover trigger warnings for sensitive spaces.

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[–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Perhaps in addition to allowing some communities to set themselves as NSFW by default, Kbin could also let communities set up tags that get automatically added to their posts? That way the porn ones could add #porn, the combat footage ones could add #gore, etc. "NSFW" would be a special tag that indicates that the contents should be blurred or otherwise hidden from accidental view, and the user could then decide whether they wanted to view it anyway based on the tags that were on it. Meanwhile something that was a perfectly innocent academic debate on the subject of porn could have the #porn tag but not the NSFW flag, and it'd be shown normally.

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[–] thanksbrother@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

For everything else outside of gore and porn I like browsing with image previews enabled and “all” instead of “subscribed,” and I want to see things that at least on Reddit were forced to be marked as nsfw. Maybe in the Fediverse NSFW is only limited to those things and I can turn it off, which I have, but I do not want to miss content from medium-adult posts just because of my preference to not jerk at all times of day.

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[–] HangoverTuesday@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

As a moderator of r/nudism on Reddit, I fully support this message. While we don't find an image of a naked person any more or less offensive or sexual than an image of a naked dog or cat (please don't read anything in to that, pervs) we do recognize that nudity is NSFW for most people's workplaces. That said, we worked very hard to keep the sub rated as all ages, SFW, and required any image that contained nudity (which was rare) to be marked NSFW.

As with most things, there is nuance and the devil is in the details.

Edit:

A modest suggestion, have multiple tags. Violence, Nudity, Sex, Drugs, or whatever else. Users can choose to filter based on their personal views.

[–] AnotherPerson@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

I think just plain tags would be best

Violence

Nudity

Porn

Make it simple so there is no confusion. I don't mind seeing nudity. I am sometimes in the mood for porn. I have no appetite for violent imagery.

[–] EarlGrey07@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago

Agreed. NSFW to me is synonymous with porn, and everything else may as well have a more literal label. 'gore' 'PDC potentially disturbing content' whatever.

[–] Slartibartfast@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Additionally, is there a way to block a magazine (hopefully I'm using the correct term) aside from having to actually go in there and click on the block button? If a properly skeezy one shows up on my general feed I'd prefer to not have to actually open it to filter it out if that makes sense.

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[–] jivemasta@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I feel like people miss the entire point of nsfw. It is supposed to be so you can have a way to filter everything so you could theoretically not see bad shit on a work computer.

Nsfw should be a catch all, and almost overly restrictive, that way you can comfortably go to reddit, kbin, Lemmy or whatever on a work computer without fear of bad shit popping up.

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[–] exohuman@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Boobs, a butt, a missile decapitating someone… ok! What about a penis? Is that artistic and okay or is that unwanted porn?

The NSFW tag works well enough. We don’t need to start tagging what is unwanted porn, what is violence, what is wanted porn, what is art. The tag along with the title of the post should be enough.

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[–] Arcanus@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] thanksbrother@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Scrolling “all” for increased exposure it’s like… news article, kitty cat, meme, anti-Reddit post, GAPING HOLES, puppy…

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[–] Cinner@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There needs to be a levels system instead of a letters system.


NSF(W)1: you wouldn't look at it in front of your boss in a corporate setting. Anything slightly risque in nature.

NSF(W)2: Written graphic text

NSF(W)3: Maybe a nip slip, or an African tribeswoman in native dress

NSF(W)4: Some intermediary step here

NSF(W)5: Nudes, porn, etc.


NSF(L)1: Fight footage with mild-medium violence

NSF(L)2: Death

NSF(L)3: Graphic death. Gore. Beheadings. Etc.


They don't even need to be in order, but there should be a classification system. Once the classification system is implemented, we can set classifications to view/not view in our settings.

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