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We need to be able to differentiate between NSFW and porn. (kbin.social)
submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by thanksbrother@kbin.social to c/kbinMeta@kbin.social
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A boob, a butt, or even some violence like one might see on the news anyway, I’m not freaked out about all that and I don’t feel the need to hide it from those around me usually… that’s all fine fine, but I don’t want porn on my feed like at all.

Editing for clarity here:

Those are all things that might get flagged NSFW that I don’t mind seeing in general. I’m not uptight about it, it’s just a little different to be inundated with hardcore pornography like… while on the train.

I joined a primarily social insurance, kbin.social. I am very open to what is in my feed, sometimes to the extremer ends of that. I just believe that porn is a separate thing entirely and should be separated in some way. I’m not opposed to porn, but there’s a reason it had its own room in the video store. And if you’re wanting to look at porn, there’s a good chance you’re ONLY looking for porn at that moment.

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[–] aroom@kbin.social 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I had this conversation on mastodon a month ago:

NSFW is too broad for a tag. We should move on from it and redefined content warning tag specific to the content.

https://tooting.ch/@aroom/110243044941547673
https://tooting.ch/@aroom/110243567677517996

(Sorry I can’t find the convo my instance muted mastodon.social so posts are not being displayed. It’s a mess)

[–] thanksbrother@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Seriously… there are so many things considered occasionally NSFW. Curse words, nudity, violence, suicide, even on Reddit anything tobacco related. I am personally very tolerant of all content, but I have lines with both gore and porn that I just don’t want the content mixed in with my casual browsing. I wish everyone would just take it to lemmynsfw so I could filter it appropriately, but due to relaxed instance rules even a generally tame instance like kbin.social constantly has new specific groups for me to ban. Just today it has beenfurry cartoon porn, feet, celebs…

Reddit never got this right either, but it seems like such an easy problem to solve. There’s R-rated and there’s porn. Not sure if it’s a result of people being too prude or too loosey goosey, but it seems very obvious to me.

[–] aroom@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

To make it obvious to everyone it could be simply coded in the app. You could choose a category when posting then choose a category as an user.

[–] BaroqueInMind@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

This would be great if the other federated communities tagged posts or followed guidelines, but they don't have to, which makes the attempt of censoring federated servers pointless. Just block the shit you don't like to see.

[–] ChemicalRascal@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

I think part of the point here is that communities that aren't following common, reasonable guidelines are ultimately going to be defederated by communities who care about those guidelines.

[–] rosatherad@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

A more robust tagging system makes blocking what you don't want to see easier and less disruptive to your experience.

[–] Itty53@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Any kind of tag you use to convey "sensitive content that may be offensive" will always become a meme. That's how human nature works and history proves it over and over.

Examples abound. Skulls and cross bones, the nuclear / atomic symbol, X ratings becoming XXX tags in porno titles, Parental Advisory Explicit Content .... this list keeps going on the closer you look. If a symbol, or a meme, is used to denote a warning, it will be co-opted by a subset of folks who will use it in ironic fashion. NSFW tags, "trigger warning" - all of these in the end are doomed from the very start to, at least in part, fail and have the exact opposite effect.

There's an interesting problem for nuclear researchers these days: how do you label a thing as dangerous in such a way that societies in ten thousand years will still recognize what it means? Because some of the shit they're toying with will be. They gotta think about it. Like even today the image of a skull means something very different depending on the culture that image is from.