I'm probably not the first to ask but a cheaper laptop option. I'm not sure if that's even feasible. It would just be an easier sell when suggesting laptops to someone. Otherwise I think for me the next device I would buy would be the Lemur for the battery life. I'm glad I have my Oryx pro in-case my desktop dies again and I'm stuck waiting on parts but I really would enjoy some longer battery life.
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I'd personally love a nice router. Something like a cheaper configuration of the meerkat with stripped down ports and 2+ ethernet ports, but maybe that's too niche of a product.
I replied to him on twitter, but posting it here too just to share with others
This might sounds dumb, but a Thelio that was oriented more horizontally? For a HTPC or home game console type setup? The new steam update adds hardware acceleration and the new gamepadui and I kinda want a PC in my living room instead of an Xbox/PS5
I know that the USP of pop OS is that it is a linux distro with good integration with nvidia gpus and drivers but is it the reason that the laptop lineup has no options with an AMD dGPU. Or is it a framework like situation where your company is too small to get the attention of AMD.
Edit : Please don't take it as a slight towards system76. What I meant to say was that amd does not have the revenue of Intel or Nvidia and so they only partner with big OEMs
There's a general lack in availability to purchase boards with this configuration from manufacturers. Intel/NVIDIA and even AMD/NVIDIA hybrid systems are more readily accessible. Systems with NVIDIA graphics are also popular in part due to how many in the tech field require CUDA. At the time of this post, you can purchase a Pangolin which features a Ryzen 6800U with integrated AMD graphics though. Which provides decent graphics performance and battery life.
System76 does have the attention of Intel, and our firmware team works with them on open source firmware project. I believe some may even be using System76 laptops for their open firmware development. I'm hopeful that things will get better on the AMD side with openSIL because it'd be great to offer AMD systems with open firmware, rather than that being an Intel-exclusive feature.
I would be happy to buy S76 hardware again if there was a point of sell in Europe, avoiding the hefty taxes and shipping costs we currently have to pay. Currently, I can't justify to buy a keyboard and add 100 dollars or so to its price.
System76 would like to open an office in Europe, but it'll require a lot of extra $$$ before that's a viable opportunity. The EU has very heavy taxes on imports of computers from the US, and so the only way to reduce costs would be to manufacture and assemble within the EU. We can't avoid taxes and import fees like Chinese companies do in the EU.
It'll require duplicating the Denver office inside the EU, and we're a small company with only the one office/warehouse in Denver, so expansion will be costly. We're currently weathering through the economic downturn that's affected the tech sector in the US, so I think it may be a while before there's enough demand and cash in the market to make this possible.
Can we donate to System76 with funds earmarked for Pop!_OS development?
All Pop!_OS donations are for Pop!_OS
Is System76 a non-profit by any chance?
It's a privately-owned company. Profits are used for R&D in both Pop!_OS, and thereby COSMIC; as well as expanding the hardware manufacturing capabilities for the line of laptops and desktops. So every purchase of a System76 system is directly funding Pop!_OS & COSMIC. Neither would exist without the hardware sales.
On the hardware side of things, a key area of interest is funding R&D on manufacturing laptops in-house in Denver with Virgo. We're also passionate about the pursuit of open source firmware, and therefore a lot of R&D goes into open firmware projects which benefit all in in the hardware space. Purism, for example, uses System76 EC in their products.
On the software side, Pop!_OS engineers are funneling all efforts into improvements to Pop!_OS and the development of COSMIC. By extension, this also includes the community support we provide here and elsewhere. A key benefit of being funded by desktop hardware sales is that the desktop experience is vital to our core business. Therefore the Linux desktop is what we care about most.
This is why there's a lot of effort into optimizing and improving the experience that Pop!_OS offers as a Linux desktop OS, and why the team has a very user-centric focus when choosing projects to work on. COSMIC will enable us to better align with a lot of needs that people want from Pop!_OS in a desktop environment. So if you enjoy using Pop!_OS and want COSMIC, then the next time you need to buy a system, think about giving System76 a chance.
Thanks for the info!
No, its a for-profit corporation according to their CO secretary of state listing. Pop!_OS is FOSS though.
Being honest, its really hard for me to buy a pop_os laptop when the framework laptop exists. Being able to have that level of customizability and self repair options are just too good to pass up.
Suggestion: perhaps pop_os could collab with framework to make a pop_os laptop that is far more customizable and repairable than what is currently available
System76 supports right to repair, and all laptops sold have readily available replacement parts and documentation. Those interested in firmware development may even request board documentation.
Similar to HP, I suppose Framework could request to collab with System76 for optimized support and integration with Pop!_OS; but we're looking to design and manufacture our own laptops in Denver, codenamed Virgo. We've had a bucket list of ideas for what we want in a dream laptop for years, and Framework falls short of that dream.
Thank you for the informative reply! I am curious; why does the framework laptop fall short of a dream laptop? Can you elaborate?
We're currently prototyping a low profile mechanical keyboard with a trackpoint for Virgo. There will be more to share in the future. All aspects of the system will be open sourced. Open firmware, open hardware with CAD files, Linux-focused, etc.
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