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[–] HiT3k@beehaw.org 24 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

Wow. That is a truly horrendous interview. This saga just keeps getting better. That interview is somehow the absolute worst thing he's done so far, and he's pulled a lot of shit.

The only thing more gross than Elon Musk is an Elon Musk imitator. He's just. so. angry.

[–] ulu_mulu@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

For me he's also stupid, I mean, you're managing one of the biggest websites in the world and you don't know accessibility is an international standard?? You need "guidelines" before you know what you should implement in your own official app? (he said this during the AMA) Come on ...

[–] Banzai51@midwest.social 2 points 2 years ago

The way he setup Pao so he could look like a savior is still the worst thing he has done. Or maybe dealing with CP as a mod of jailbait.

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[–] Kwakigra@beehaw.org 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's always important to take a step back and consider that the mega-rich exist in a totally separate reality than the rest of us do. They were raised in a way that they were never forced out of infancy into adulthood like the rest of us were. I hope that eventually we realize that it's not responsible to allow major institutions to be under the control of adults whose worldview has never progressed since the time they were toddlers.

[–] imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Hey, sorry y'all had to defederate from our server.

I guess I thought I understood what that meant, but I somehow didn't quite grasp that we can both still subscribe to third party communities like here at technology@lemmy.ml, and continue to interact indirectly through those channels. So the whole defederation thing matters even less than I thought it did.

Sorry to be off topic but some people at lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works might benefit from seeing this explained.

[–] Otome-chan@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

just an FYI, despite you seeing their comment, they can't see yours.

[–] imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Ok I see. And the reason for that is because beehaw has defederated my server, but my server has not defederated beehaw, correct?

Kinda confusing, I guess I thought of federation as a bilateral agreement for some reason, but actually each instance unilaterally decides who to federate with, and its not always reciprocal.

[–] Otome-chan@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Yes. Think of it like blocking someone. beehaw defederated from sh.itjust.works so they can't see anything from sh.itjust.works. not comments, not threads, not communities. 100% blocked. whereas the reverse isn't true. you're not able to get communities or content from beehaw (because they blocked and aren't sending it to you), but their comments and threads elsewhere in the fediverse are still shared with you. This thread is hosted on lemmy.ml, so everyone federated with lemmy.ml can see it and interact with it; this is why you can see the beehaw user's comment.

However, since beehaw defederated with sh.itjust.works, your reply remains unseen by them. sh.itjust.works could mutually defederate/block beehaw and you wouldn't see the comment. but that's up to your instance whether you wanna do that or not.

[–] imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Ok thanks for explaining. I don't see any reason we would defederate beehaw, they only blocked us because trolls were signing up on our server and spamming toxic stuff to their communities. Totally understandable, and hopefully we can reconnect with them once this platform matures a bit.

[–] Otome-chan@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I know some people on lemmy.world were discussing defederating with beehaw because they were thinking it was annoying/confusing to have beehaw stuff show up even when beehaw defederated with them (and thus results in situations like this).

personally, I'm of the philosophy that it's good to federate with as many instances as possible. and that's how kbin has been doing things so far. other instances may wish to intentionally select which instances they federate to craft particular experiences (like what beehaw did). just depends on what you're after.

[–] tobor@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago

I feel like even though this is all pretty chaotic in the short term, it feels like it could be a pretty good learning experience for the strengths and weaknesses of federating in general

[–] LostCause@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

I love you for explaining this so clearly, I was actually so confused about this I may or may not have misinformed someone else, oops.

[–] ram@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Hate to be the one to break it to you, but they can't see your message. Check it from the beehaw instance yourself.

[–] Otome-chan@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

this helped clarify something for me. which was whether it just nuked the replies to the lemmy.world/sh.itjust.works comment, or only that one comment. seems like it just removes the entire chain.

[–] ram@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Ya, it also works that way if you block someone too. Unlike Twitter/Discord which show "you've blocked this message", on here they simply don't exist, nor do any replies to them.

[–] Otome-chan@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm not really in the mindset of blocking people, but that's good to know.

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[–] Cheradenine@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 years ago (4 children)

The Verge interview is Here

The tl;dr is it's the AMA part 2: electric douchealoo

[–] 001@kbin.social 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

These people who are mad, they’re mad because they used to get something for free, and now it’s going to be not free.

I just can't believe that a CEO of a company who doesn't pay their moderators would actually say something so tone deaf.

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[–] tom@lemmy.fmhy.ml 9 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Honestly, we should just leave it behind and focus on making communities here better. They have every right to cut off their nose to spite their face on their own website. Let's learn from that for the future in contributing to making someone else's website great.

[–] Tangentism@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago

The best revenge is living well.

[–] lrabbt@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

I agree, let's just forget them and make a cool place for us here

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[–] dojan@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It’s funny how he’s playing this out to be about third party apps like Apollo. Like yeah, that’s what the community cares about, but the reason they’re making the changes is because he’s fucking anal about OpenAI and other companies finding such success with products they have built using data scraped via the Reddit API.

He wants some of that money, not the comparatively tiny amount that Christian got from Apollo.

He also doesn’t seem to get that people root for an underdog. Had he been more serious about how they are upset that companies use their API to build massive tools that they can sublicense to other companies, like Microsoft, and make lots of money, people might agree with that.

What he’s framing it as though, is a big company like Reddit vs small indie app developers, like Christian Selig. Guess who the underdog is in that scenario, Hm?

[–] generalpotato@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Dude could literally invent a developer program to help support “sanctioned” third party devs that pay some sort of a yearly fee to access the API and raise cost like he is now to fend off LLMs. But nah, I’d expect that out of somebody that is actually wanting to solve the problem. Lol

[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago

They kinda already have something along those lines, or at least it's in the works. I'm pretty sure that's what Devvit is supposed to be, but rather than actually finish that project, they'd rather crusade against the Apollo app for some reason

[–] dojan@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

That sounds unnecessarily complex. Just force an authentication of the client (ergo, make it so you can't access the API without logging in) and add api rate limits per user, maybe with higher limits on users that have the paid Reddit membership tier.

But I don't think that was the point anyway. It's less work to just start charging for the API. That way they can charge companies like OpenAI, and drive others to use their main app, letting them sell targeted adverts to them too.

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[–] 100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Folks have made millions.

It sucks to be you, Reddit.

[–] ILeftReddit@kbin.social 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's hilarious how people have literally paid app developers for a better way to experience reddit and he's mad about that. Like sorry you're a talentless hack. The only reason reddit is as popular as it is was down to the stars aligning back in the digg days. That's about it, first mover advantage with your only other competitor shooting themselves in the foot.

[–] 100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it 8 points 2 years ago

I used most 3rd-party apps for Android and the official one is simply the worst.

Lemmy clients are already better than Reddit's official apps.

You're right about the first mover advantage: there was a small time window in which Reddit was the town square of the Internet, but it turned to shit when the brass decided to milk users like data money cows.

[–] detwaft@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago

The 9to5mac article has just the right amount of spiteful contempt. Nice.

[–] generalpotato@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

My god… he is such… a fucking… idiot. Holy shit… I’m just surprised he’s lasted this long as “CEO”. I work in tech and I’ve seen interns and entry level engineers exercise better decision making. I guess being strongman is more important to him than saving his company and/or protecting his image as a sensible leader.

[–] KevinNoodle@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Is this thing on?

Fuck you u/spez

[–] Drinkoffee@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Reddit's CEO wants me back, and he's not having me this way.

[–] manned_meatball@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] AgreeableLandscape@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)
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[–] harbo@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Will be really interesting to see how this works out for them. They’ll definitely lose a lot of users but I wonder if they’ll end up getting enough of them to download the official app that they decide it was worth it.

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[–] ventusx@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (3 children)

My first comment in the entire fediverse will be:

FUCK U/SPEZ

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[–] dylcal13@lemmy.coeus.icu 2 points 2 years ago (4 children)

The unwillingness to back down is mind boggling.

[–] nanoUFO@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think he has shown his true form, he was always a cunt and not a very intelligent one. But now that the games afoot he has shown his true colors. The only thing he cares about is $$$$

[–] SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Don't forget that he also ran the sub r/jailbird, which totally makes everything....uhhhhh....yeah....makes it.....

Edit: phone autoassume changed the name of the subreddit, I'm actually fine with that.

[–] wakamo@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Be careful; someone might jump down your throat to say that "there was a time in Reddit where someone could add anyone as a moderator" but fail to provide any proof of this (that u/spez was added as mod to troll him). For all we know, spez himself actually mods jailbait, just not actively.

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[–] taylus@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Can’t back down when you’re a narcissistic liar

[–] atxlvr@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

yea this guy screams narcissist

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[–] pizza_rolls@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

How not to CEO 101

Most CEOs would pretend to care or be concerned even if they didn't change paths lmao

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