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[–] Kwakigra@beehaw.org 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's always important to take a step back and consider that the mega-rich exist in a totally separate reality than the rest of us do. They were raised in a way that they were never forced out of infancy into adulthood like the rest of us were. I hope that eventually we realize that it's not responsible to allow major institutions to be under the control of adults whose worldview has never progressed since the time they were toddlers.

[–] imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Hey, sorry y'all had to defederate from our server.

I guess I thought I understood what that meant, but I somehow didn't quite grasp that we can both still subscribe to third party communities like here at technology@lemmy.ml, and continue to interact indirectly through those channels. So the whole defederation thing matters even less than I thought it did.

Sorry to be off topic but some people at lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works might benefit from seeing this explained.

[–] Otome-chan@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

just an FYI, despite you seeing their comment, they can't see yours.

[–] imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Ok I see. And the reason for that is because beehaw has defederated my server, but my server has not defederated beehaw, correct?

Kinda confusing, I guess I thought of federation as a bilateral agreement for some reason, but actually each instance unilaterally decides who to federate with, and its not always reciprocal.

[–] Otome-chan@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Yes. Think of it like blocking someone. beehaw defederated from sh.itjust.works so they can't see anything from sh.itjust.works. not comments, not threads, not communities. 100% blocked. whereas the reverse isn't true. you're not able to get communities or content from beehaw (because they blocked and aren't sending it to you), but their comments and threads elsewhere in the fediverse are still shared with you. This thread is hosted on lemmy.ml, so everyone federated with lemmy.ml can see it and interact with it; this is why you can see the beehaw user's comment.

However, since beehaw defederated with sh.itjust.works, your reply remains unseen by them. sh.itjust.works could mutually defederate/block beehaw and you wouldn't see the comment. but that's up to your instance whether you wanna do that or not.

[–] LostCause@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

I love you for explaining this so clearly, I was actually so confused about this I may or may not have misinformed someone else, oops.

[–] imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Ok thanks for explaining. I don't see any reason we would defederate beehaw, they only blocked us because trolls were signing up on our server and spamming toxic stuff to their communities. Totally understandable, and hopefully we can reconnect with them once this platform matures a bit.

[–] Otome-chan@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I know some people on lemmy.world were discussing defederating with beehaw because they were thinking it was annoying/confusing to have beehaw stuff show up even when beehaw defederated with them (and thus results in situations like this).

personally, I'm of the philosophy that it's good to federate with as many instances as possible. and that's how kbin has been doing things so far. other instances may wish to intentionally select which instances they federate to craft particular experiences (like what beehaw did). just depends on what you're after.

[–] tobor@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago

I feel like even though this is all pretty chaotic in the short term, it feels like it could be a pretty good learning experience for the strengths and weaknesses of federating in general

[–] ram@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Hate to be the one to break it to you, but they can't see your message. Check it from the beehaw instance yourself.

[–] Otome-chan@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

this helped clarify something for me. which was whether it just nuked the replies to the lemmy.world/sh.itjust.works comment, or only that one comment. seems like it just removes the entire chain.

[–] ram@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Ya, it also works that way if you block someone too. Unlike Twitter/Discord which show "you've blocked this message", on here they simply don't exist, nor do any replies to them.

[–] Otome-chan@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm not really in the mindset of blocking people, but that's good to know.

[–] thesanewriter@vlemmy.net 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Interestingly though, other instances can still see the full chain. I'm on vlemmy.net, and all of the comments are visible to me.