popular elections in an ecosystem 1/4 bots, in which the admins hold ultimate unilateral authority.
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Spez is such a nice guy, protecting the innocent users from the greedy elites who control the site. /s
1/4 bots, 1/4 advertising, 1/4 Onlyfans "entrepreneurs" and 1/4 users. What could possibly go wrong?
1/4 bots, 1/4 paid advertising, 1/4 Onlyfans "entrepreneurs" and 1/4 users. What could go wrong?
He plans to make moderators popularly elected to more easily vote them out.
I totally second this idea. The last time we tried to get the internet to seriously decide on something we got Boaty McBoatface.
Hopes the next frontier will be subreddits as businesses.
Even better. All posts in these subs can be advertisements, perfect.
He does not want Reddit employees to take on the work. Moderator hours were valued at 3.2 million last year, 3% of reddit’s revenue.
Yeah, don't even spend 3% of revenues as a cost of doing business. The soon-to-be-community-elected mods will do it for free. Super.
The last time we tried to get the internet to seriously decide on something we got Boaty McBoatface.
And lo, the Internet looked down upon it's handiwork, and verily, t'was awesome.
All posts in these (business) subs can be advertisements, perfect.
And nobody will ever go there. And, two years down the track, u/spaz will hoik up the pricing or cut them off entirely because they're making money off of a non-profitable Reddit. "We want to work with the business subs but they're not interested in talking to us and have all thrown their toys out of the pram and shut down".
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come work for free
No thanks
builds an entire self-hosted instance of an open source, federated social media network...
No way we're gonna see reddit elections and campaigns this is hilarious
Right? How does he not see that this is a terrible idea.
Probably because he has back end control to make sure elections give him what he wants with the veneer of popular support.
Ok, reading the article, removing mods through voting doesnt sound too bad when you consider that turtle-something mod, who moderates way too many servers and removes/bans every post/user talking shit about them. Finally we can get power hungry mods out the fucking door.
Too bad they only decided to work on it to kick those mods keeping the blackout alive. Like why do they want to fight their userbase so badly
So you do all that work for nothing just to be able to be voted out? 😂
Yeah, way fewer people will be willing to put in the effort modding if they can just be voted out. And subreddits that are supposed to represent minority opinions will just get voted out by the opposition.
Doesn't matter what changes he makes I'm never going back to that site that it's filled with karma farmers, bots and onlyfans spamers
Honestly fuck reddit. I was so tired of it, but there was nowhere else to go. At least I can develope a more healthy relationship with social media here
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Yea I'm actually glad there's an exodus of people who care. The ones who don't, I don't care about them either.
When the subreddits went private I visited reddit three times, then a couple of times the next day, then once the following day. I haven't visited today and honestly I'm not missing it too much. If I get the urge to visit I just come here and it acts as my reddit nicotine patch.
Yeah I've been the same, and when I've browsed the comments there is so much aggro. Makes me wonder if it's always been like that and I was just blind to it.
Overall, the experience here is 1000 times better than Reddit
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Well this will bring me back to reddit... So I can vote out the mods who want to reopen the sub.
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I was logging into Reddit to delete my posts (Which Chrome removed the Nuke Reddit History extension, thanks I guess) and on the front page was just gross homophobic memes. Yeah, I don't think I'll ever going back.
While undeniably shitty, how amazing would it be if after instituting popular voting on mods more subreddits voted to go private? Not likely but it is tempting
I feel one of the reasons many subs have not gone indefinitely dark is that the mods too are attached to their communities, and probably rightfully so. If they are going to get booted out, which may easily happen when you leave it up to the Reddit horde to decide, then they might just decide to shut down the sub.
The bigger, sadder problem is that it would actually work. There's never been a more divided time in the world than now. You'd think everyone would see how disgraceful Reddit's actions have been and want nothing to do with the platform anymore, but realistically not everyone cares. It's already happening where you can simply tell mods that they aren't being paid for their time and instead of them thinking logically, they go ahead and ban you to silence you.
It’s not like they don’t know it’s not paid, if it’s a fun hobby people choose to support the communities they love they’d spend the time anyway. But with every move to make Reddit more corporate it makes the sites reliance on volunteers more exploitative.
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He can stuff the votes with bots and get what he wants. Don't think for a second that he'll let people like you and I succeed at voting out mods who are on his side.
He referred to the mods as landed gentry, which is such a gross and lazy way to try to get people on his side. It has a major flaw too: mods are unpaid, the whole idea behind gentry is that they make money from owning their land.
Let me help you out spez, you piece of shit, if you want to criticize the millions of dollars of unpaid work that mods do for their communities try comparing them to an HOA committee, that at least has a kernel of truth.
It's even more hilarious when the label is much more accurately applied to capital owners such as himself; they are the ones actually making money off of other people's labour via their ownership (of a company rather than land).
So everyone who left wouldn't vote and everyone who stayed can end the blackout
I'm not opposed to only going over there on old.reddit to vote the opposite of whats in Reddits best interests. Mods being a problem and you want them removed? Vote to keep them.
lol watch the voting mods out feature not work on old.reddit.
FUCKING LOL he's seething
They're just looking for admin-friendly volunteers to cross the picket line and kick out protesting mods. It's unsurprising that it's come to this, and has already started in various reddit's (such as /r/AdviceAnimals, which still exists, apparently).
Is the CEO going to be popularly elected too?
subreddits as businesses
I'll admit, I didn't have faith that he could, but he actually came up with a worse idea
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I'm betting it will not be one account one vote. He'll stack the deck, just wait.
Even if it is one account one vote, the bot armies will be there to ensure the outcome the admins want. Moderator puppets to do the will of the admin team, fuck us pleb slobs that are the community and make his shitty site worth visiting.
The correct response is scorched earth, time to delete the protesting subreddits. the CEO has zero respect for those folks who built those community’s, might as well help remove the actual value of reddit.
Deleting the subreddits would be an easily reversible action for admins. Users will need to edit over comments to actually make a change that wouldn’t easily be reverted. Idk, maybe it could be. It would have to be a lot more users too.
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Oh you want to have popular elections for mods? Do it, see what happens. Poll crashing is a fucking sport.
Oh yeah, and:
“If you’re a politician or a business owner, you are accountable to your constituents. So a politician needs to be elected, and a business owner can be fired by its shareholders,” he said.
CEO of a company doesn't even understand business ownership. Business owners cannot be fired. They can be bought out. Shareholders are owners. C-level employees are almost universally also owners. Nobody can just "take away" ownership; it has to be bought, and an owner of property is the person who gets to decide whether to sell it or not. What an idiot.
I’ll go back to reddit for a day to vote him off of r/programming
There's also the long game of voting in the most appalling mods you can find.
Hey. I volunteer to change my reddit profile pic to a picture of me- with my pasty white legs- wearing socks with sandals.
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Watch subs elect actual Nazis, trolls, incels and transphobes to be moderators for the lols and then the site ends up being a cesspool.
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Yeah, that's exactly what reddit needed. For a bunch of angry mob trolls who don't want to respect community guidelines to go ahead and vote out mods enforcing said guidelines. Reddit gonna be straight up 4chan in less than a year.
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