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[–] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 98 points 1 year ago (3 children)

You have to admit, Elon claiming he's the king of free speech and filing a lawsuit to silence a media company is pretty fukcing hilarious. Especially since it will implode.

[–] Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world 49 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Free speech absolutist" means absolutely no accountability for what I say. "I just want people to think for themselves" means "I just want people to think exactly like me."

[–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago

"Free speech absolutist" means "I get to say what I want, and you have to listen to it."

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

Either he's going to pull out just before discovery or discovery will be amazing.

[–] iAmTheTot@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't find it very funny at all.

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I read the complaint. Seems doomed to fail.

The underlying allegations, that Nazi content appeared next to advertisements by IBM and others, is literally true. Twitter can try and drum it up by saying Media Matters manipulated the algorithm by following Nazi supporters and refreshing the page, but it was still Twitter's algorithm that showed the Nazi content next to the advertisements and it was still Twitter's moderation decisions that allow Nazis to spread their ideology on Twitter. They don't have to allow such content. They could fix their algorithm to easily filter out hate speech. They don't want to.

Twitter makes three claims.

Intereference with contract, which requires proof of malicious or wrongful intent. Their evidence of malice is that the CEO of media matters said he was "at war" with conservative media. Yeah, at war with media that allows Nazi content or false conspiracy theories. That's pretty weak evidence. I think the facts show that MMs intent was to perform a valuable public service as a media watchdog.

Second count is trade disparagement, which requires proof that Media Matters statements were false. The complaint tries to say that no other user saw what Media Matters saw, and that's why it's false, but then expressly admits that X has not confirmed if any other users saw what MM saw. Either way, what MM saw was true and accurate: Nazi content served up next to IBM ads by Twitter's algorithm. The screenshots weren't Photoshopped. It wasn't a lie, it was literally true.

The third count is interference with prospective advantage. This requires the same evidence as above, intent and wrongful conduct.

Exactly what I expected this complaint to look like, Laden with far right conspiracy theories and victimhood.

[–] capt_wolf@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Essential for any nationalist regime - "Disparage and discredit the lying press."

Trump's literally been doing it for years, shouting "FAKE NEWS" at anything he doesn't like and Musk's been helping by hindering news agencies and trying to alter the truth since he bought Twitter.

Now that they're getting caught doing nazi things, it's going to be "WE'RE NOT NAZIS! WE'RE NATIONALISTS! IF YOU'RE AGAINST US YOU'RE AGAINST AMERICA! MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN! SEIG HEIL! ~oops~..."

*continues doing nazi things*

[–] Additional_Prune@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Elon may find a sympathetic judge though...

[–] albert180@feddit.de 20 points 1 year ago

Free-Speech-Absolutist!

[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

SLAPP lawsuit. There needs to be significant consequences for billionaires who abuse the legal system to silence criticism. Seems like an odd position for a, "free-speech absolutist,"'s private company to take.

[–] Caradoc879@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

I dream they win billions. And I dream that they use it to take other evil rich assholes down, too.

[–] oDDmON@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Billionaires OSFA solution for a multitude of problems, just SUE.

[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago
[–] STRIKINGdebate2@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Why is it been appealed to the district court in Texas? X is based in California and media matters is based in DC? So why Texas?

[–] MiscreantMouse@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

Shopping for the right judge.

[–] Additional_Prune@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Elon wants a far right judge, and Texas and the Fifth Circuit is the place to look for one.

[–] WashedOver@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So this is about suing the agency out of existence?

With the shenanigans that have gone on with Twitter since being bought with the not paying of staff severance, vendors, or landlords, it's getting like those that deal with Trump. I wonder if the Musk legal team will be paid?

I'm all for reasonable free speech. It should fall within the guidelines of how yelling FIRE! in a movie theater has consequences if people are hurt by it. Misinformation falls into this category if it hurts the general public with a purposeful lack of moderation.

It's not been a total lack of moderation.. There are reports of moderation occurring over things Musk doesn't like and amplification of the things he wants (especially his tweets) in the algorithm that benefits him, so I'm not sure the defense of total free speech is a honest one here.

At the end of the day the misinformation, and horrible inaccurate things shared on Fox News, Rumble and Truth social are much worse and they seem to get a free pass with the we are entertainment defense so none of this really seems to matter?

If the lawsuit sees the light of day over the next several years it will be interesting how if it changes anything for the better or worse. Perhaps it won't matter by then as we will be in the next phase of the New American Order and going after one's internal enemies will be condoned as good patriotic practices...

[–] sarcasticsunrise@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

How in the flying fuck is Ken Paxton still in office again???