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[–] yukichigai@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you look at the content feed of /c/conservative most of the recent posts seem to be fairly anti-conservative, or at least not very flattering. For example "Almost Twice as Many Republicans Died From COVID Before the Midterms Than Democrats" was just recently posted.

In other words they may be modding both subreddits because they're not actually conservative.

[–] Izzent@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Scroll back to see what they were posting originally, the stuff with the downvotes was nasty. That's why people got together to change that.

[–] yukichigai@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You'd think the moderators would be removing the anti-conservative stuff though if they were actually conservative.

[–] baascus@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Probably creating many communities. Though I agree it is difficult to remain impartial on topics like this.

[–] socialjusticewizard@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, their "moderates" list is huge. I hope that with individual instances having more control here, we don't see quite as many of these absurd thousand-community mods.

[–] baascus@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The benefit of the fediverse is that if something like that does turn out to be a problem, the server admin can replace mods or we can use a different instance.

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[–] Goathound@kbin.social 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Good grief, their community list is absolutely bloated, probably an attempt at powermoderating or domain squatting if I had to guess. It is unfortunate that they're modding LGBTQ+ though, they seem to suffer from a case of "enlightened centrism" and that is pretty harmful given today's climate for trans rights. (For context, the post in question is a single panel comic of a trans person dragging a child into an gender affirming care clinic, basically perpetuating the groomer libel of LGBTQ+ people)

[–] jcb2016_@mastodon.social 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@Goathound @Hurts @Izzent Maybe he was over here a long time ago. Went to reddit. Saw all the popular communities and Created all of them. I would signup for another instance, create the community you want. then link everyone. enough people then they will get bigger then the one on lemmy.world instance. Worth a shot

[–] 667@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

This is both the upside and downside of Federation!

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[–] TiredSpider@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think this is the most likely answer, just another power mod.

I wonder how long it will be before "power mod disorder" gets into the dsm

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[–] beard__hunter@lemmy.fmhy.ml 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh. This is interesting. Now we need /c/lemmydrama ....

[–] dill@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

grabs popcorn

[–] ZeroDrek@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Are you suggesting that a conservative cannot also be LGBTQ+? I'm not conservative but I am a supporter of LGBTQ+ people. Nonetheless, it seems prejudice and hypocritical to assume.

[–] Izzent@lemmy.world 81 points 1 year ago (1 children)

With the stuff they've been posting in conservative, yes. Yes I am.

[–] ZeroDrek@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I can’t see what they’re posting cause I have it blocked but I’ll take your word for it.

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Are you suggesting that a nazi cannot also support rights for Jewish people?

[–] VoxAdActa@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Are you suggesting that a conservative cannot also be LGBTQ+?

Yes. 100%. What do conservatives stand for other than rage-baiting culture war bullshit? They certainly aren't in favor of fiscal responsibility or combating Russia's influence in the west or upholding the rule of law for everyone. What's left?

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[–] briellebouquet@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

speaking as a trans queer person, having seen the rhetoric conservatives use to speak about people like me in both media and politics, having seen how they treat disabled folk (many of my queer friends are disabled), having seen how they treat the poor and unhoused, many of my lgbtq friends being poor and unhoused, having to do sex work that terrifies me bc i can't afford rent on disability rates

yea you can't be conservative in 2023 and support queer rights or advancement. it's literally not possible. you can privately be accepting of queer people in your life. but if you're a conservative, you're grouping up with people who are trying to kill us.

edit: bc i'm dumb and white i didn't include this initially, but conservatives also organizationally support cops lynching Black folk and i'd like to add that, this is another reason i will literally never befriend or fuck or even tolerate a conservative, outside of contexts where my safety is at risk. fuck conservatives. every one of them.

[–] ZeroDrek@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Fair enough. I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt and don’t like to think the world is black and white or absolute. Sorry to everyone if I came off as a dick in my initial response; Not my intention.

[–] briellebouquet@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

you didn't come off as a dick. i just think you were wrong. i give everyone the benefit of the doubt too, but people who wear conservative colours remove all doubt when they put on their uniforms. a conservative set of beliefs implies certain actions and behaviours, and literally every single one of them is destructive socially, and most of them are destructive to me personally.

i see a conservative, and i know i'm in danger. whether they say "you know i actually don't have a problem with gay people!!" or not

[–] pterodactyl@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

There's conservative gays and self hating gays and guess what, they're the same gays. Imagine the mod of gaming was Bobby Kotick, sure, he's gamed, his gaming CV is a lot more interesting than most, but is he really the person you want shaping the discourse around gaming?

[–] Otome-chan@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

conservative lgbt people usually just go with "lgbt" rather than "lgbtq". I've also seen "lgb". yes there's conservative lgbt people but.... you know how things are lol

[–] ZeroDrek@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, I suppose you’re right . I just try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt and don’t like to think the world is black and white or absolute. Sorry to everyone if I came off as a dick in my initial response; Not my intention.

[–] Otome-chan@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

no worries. and yes, I understand what you mean. people have a mix of views and sometimes it's counterintuitive. I'm far left in terms of economics, a bit conservative socially, and am transsexual. and a lot of people get confused by that lol.

I haven't dug into the magazines/subs in question, so it could go either way. But it's not uncommon for conservative lgbt to avoid the lgbtq label, and for people on either side to "squat" groups due to the conflict.

[–] magiccupcake@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't the the community is actually conservative, but rather critical of conservatives.

[–] Izzent@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Scroll back, you'll see what it was like before a concerted effort to change that happened.

[–] Technological_Elite@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I really hope it's in good faith, cause if it is, that may be a slimmer of hope that conservatives can co-exist amongst LGBTQ+. I'm more of a centrist (no, that does not mean I play the both sides are equally bad or I play both sides, get that out of your heads) and I have a few conservative opinions. This does not mean I agree with the extremism of the U.S. conservatives pushing laws and misinformation to opress LGBTQ+ and other minorities. It's sickening.

[–] socialjusticewizard@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What does "conservatism" mean to you? In my opinion there is no functioning definition of it that is safe for LGBTQ coexistence.

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[–] Override@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Because of all the closeted Republicans. Why do you think they constantly talk about Gay and Transpeople all the time ? Its what they are thinking about 24-7

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[–] exohuman@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can always come to kbin’s LGBT or queer communities and avoid that drama.

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[–] thesanewriter@vlemmy.net 4 points 1 year ago

I'm not sure. They may be a power mod, trying to grab as many communities as possible, they may be trying to infiltrate one of the communities, or they may be some form of a centrist or conservative queer person. One of the good things here is that the mod logs of these sites are open to the public, so we can keep an eye out for unjustified bannings or iffy behavior from this user and move away from their community if needed.

[–] TiredSpider@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

beehaws LGBTQ+ community seems pretty good if anyone is looking for an alternative

[–] vyvanse@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

I agree, it's great :)

[–] Otome-chan@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (12 children)

I'd like to think that it's just an lgbt person who's also conservative (I'm transsexual and on the conservative side myself) but given it's "lgbtq" I kinda have a feeling it's probably a more progressive person who claimed the conservative sub to control it, rather than genuine interest...

[–] Izzent@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] HopeOfTheGunblade@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

"If you don't have conservative views, go away," "echo chambers are bad," same person...

[–] Otome-chan@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

I just took a look and.... yeah looks pretty conservative. huh. that's kinda rare to see.

[–] TheGooseIsLoose@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (12 children)

Why does the “lgbtq” make you think that?

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[–] Technological_Elite@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I find this really interesting, if I may ask (in good faith), what makes you a conservative yet LGBTQ+ person? Are you in the U.S.? If not that may explain why you're conservative in the first place. I'm really curious.

[–] Otome-chan@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't identify with lgbtq, and view it as antagonistic towards transsexuals. I'm transsexual (medically/biologically) so I fall under lgbt by default lol.

As for conservatism, I've slowly been moving towards conservative views due to various arguments, observations, etc. that I found convincing. For instance I am pro-life, pro-gun, etc.

I am indeed in the US, here in California (a red/conservative part of it though). Having the conservative views I do I end up a bit frustrated, since a lot of the republican party just pushes capitalist/corporate policies, and doesn't really focus on the conservative things I find important.

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