Ask Lemmy

How Hamas feels about Zionism/Israel:

14. The Zionist project is a racist, aggressive, colonial and expansionist project based on seizing the properties of others; it is hostile to the Palestinian people and to their aspiration for freedom, liberation, return and self-determination. The Israeli entity is the plaything of the Zionist project and its base of aggression.

How Hamas feels about Jewish people:

16. Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine. Yet, it is the Zionists who constantly identify Judaism and the Jews with their own colonial project and illegal entity.

There’s a bit more, it isn’t too long, you can find it here: https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/hamas-2017-document-full

Tl;Dr of history of israel-palestine conflict:

Britain colonizes Palestine and makes it Israel

Israel recognizes this as kinda bullshit and willingly offers basically half the land to existing Palestinians and also offers full citizenship to any Palestinian who wishes to remain in what is now Israel.

Palestine refuses the deal, declares war on Israel

Israel kicks their ass, again offers a deal with less land

Palestine again says no, basically a cold war begins

Other Arab countries refuse to allow Palestinians to move there, also declare war on Israel and get their asses kicked

Terrorists begin attacking Israel from Palestine, especially from the West Bank

Those terrorists are elected to run Palestine in a free and fair election

Israel begins committing human rights violations against Palestinians

We've now been at this last stage for at least two decades, possibly longer but I can't be bothered to fact check myself on the exact dates right now. And yes, this is absolutely as short as the TL;DR on this situation can get, I'm 100000% sure both sides will get upset about details I left out even in this longer story.

I'm definitely skeptical of anything "moderate" that they claim to now operate on. Their actions, especially on October 7th illustrated what their actual ideology is. They even still have foreign workers who are entirely uninvolved hostage.

This video does a good job of covering the basics of the current situation.

https://youtu.be/pJ9PKQbkJv8?si=NGZHKAS7jvEmOR50

Its always about the documents. Its weird how , as a child, I couldn't have given a shit about documents if my life depended on them and now like my life depends on them!

Edit: documents is a funny word. Documents Documents Documents. Say documents 500x fast!

I mean on the Israeli side but I feel like that applies equally to Hamas, if that makes sense. What's that corrollary expression about opposites attract (similars repel)...

charter or policy documents

Get real. They aren't american lawyers.