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I mean really, he’s a coal baron for crying out loud

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[–] rivermonster@sh.itjust.works 45 points 1 year ago (1 children)

TFW, your political spectrum is so shifted that literal Nazis are simply "right of center." We're so fucked.

[–] pensivepangolin@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Exactly. America has moved so far to the right that the “leftist” party is swarmed with people like Joe Manchin, and it’s presidential candidate is the author of the god awful crime bill that’s worked to imprison untold numbers of people unjustly and along racial lines disproportionate. And supports genocide. And censures it’s only Palestinian congresswoman for….pointing out the reality of what’s going on.

Lovely country. Lovely I tell you.

At least our national parks are nice.

[–] Drusas@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Censures*

Sorry, but they are different.

[–] pensivepangolin@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Good catch on the typo; updated accordingly.

I didn’t say they’re the same parties. I said both right wing. The democrats are a right wing party. The republicans are…a right-er wing party determined to cosplay their way into abject fascism.

There is no true left wing party that is currently viable in America. That needs to change. The two party system is an abomination and it’s stranglehold on the country is both pathetic and infuriating.

[–] Drusas@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh, I meant that censure and censor are different. I'm totally with you.

[–] pensivepangolin@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Oh, okay i understand now! Cheers mate!

[–] halfempty@kbin.social 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Manchin is not moderate by any stretch. He is so blatantly beholden to his special interest money sources that he doesn't seem to have any political direction at all. He's a democrat by title who pretty much hangs out with the Republicans, and also votes with them. That's not moderate.

[–] Pipoca@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

He's a "moderate centrist" in the sense that he's basically the median senator. Which honestly says more about the Senate than it does about him or his politics.

He votes with Biden about 90% of the time, though. He's obstructed some big parts if the Democratic agenda, but if you'd rather have another Republican like Shelly Capito in his seat then you're nuts. At this point, the chance of replacing him with even a mainstream Democrat is basically nil. That whole state has swung very far right.

[–] LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

When he voted the same as Democrats 70% of the time.

[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Zorque@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Probably about the same time "centrist" became synonymous with "conservative apologist".

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Centrists haven't changed. The Liberal perception of them has changed. Largely because the right has gone so far fascist that it's pretty difficult to defend allowing them into office, even if you don't agree with the left on an issue or two.

[–] Zorque@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So... the right has moved, and thus so has the "center", meaning "centrists" are further right? So... centrist means something different?

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

The "centrists" that I know stand on the same ground they stood on 20 years ago. If we're talking about the ideologies then I feel that the right has moved further right, and the left further left, which would leave the centrists about smack dab in the same spot. If we're referring to actual political parties then the left has moved further right too. Biden is not a leftist. Any actual leftists get clobbered by the DNC.

[–] badbytes@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Politics uses more buzz words than tech. Liberal, democrat, republican, moderate, progressive, etc. Usually just for headline effect, as they largely are misleading.

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Just remember to call his "Left Virginia" and when it's natives get enraged, react with mild confusion. Gaslight the hell out of them lol

[–] Orbituary@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

He has never been moderate. Quit aping corporate media.