European malls and even some inner-city shopping streets are also struggling. Maybe not as much as in other places, but online-shopping is definitely skimming off a lot of high profit margin products that normal stores used to supplement their revenue with.
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It's hard to imagine with the monumental crowds I see every time I go to a mall. At least in the center of Warsaw malls seem continually busy these days.
@ajsadauskas @fuck_cars But in Europe innercity/downtown retail is dying. Small shops bankrupt and buildings are untenated.
But there is hope: Once the cars are banned, people are coming back and so will business. Statistical data in Germany are very clear in this regard.
Uk malls are dying in towns, but the ones in cities survive, consolidation of retail.
@ajsadauskas @fuck_cars We also absurdly overbuilt retail (big boxes and malls) in North America. Between 5-9 times more floor area per capita than Europe. (And around 2x Australia).
@ngsmcphrsn @fuck_cars Australia and the US is an interesting comparison.
There's a lot of similarities, but a few big differences as well.
- Australia never embraced the hypermarket Walmart model of having groceries and a discount department store in one big box centre.
Instead, we have two big supermarket chains (Coles and Woolworths) that own something like 80% of the grocery market, with a few smaller players (Metcash/IGA and Aldi) claiming the rest. (CostCo has tried setting up some warehouses, but they're a tiny player in the market.)
We then have two major discount department store chains (Kmart/Target, which used to be owned by Coles, and Big W, owned by Woolworths) selling clothes, toys, homeware, and small appliances.
Typically, Australian shopping centres are anchored by the two big department stores, plus one or both of the discount department store chains.
Indoor shopping centres tend to fill the role strip malls play in many American suburbs.
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In Sydney, with a few notable exceptions, they tend to be within walking distance of a train station. In Melbourne and the other state capitals, many are car-dependent with the only public transport mode being buses.
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Our competition regulator thinks if two or three firms split the market, that's competition.
The concentrated markets don't just extend to supermarkets, but shopping centres themselves. Most are either operated by Westfield (Scentre Group) or Vicinity.
Online shopping is just easier than going to a mall, I don't want to get off my ass if I don't have to
@Mcballs1234 Are you based in North America? Europe? Australia? Or elsewhere?
I live in America, another problem with malls here there outside my town and require a car or three hours of biking
@Mcballs1234 If there was a bus or train connecting you to the mall and groceries in less then 15 minutes, at any time of the day, would you still prefer to buy online?
I live pretty close to a few grocery stores, I can take a bus to the mall but there's nothing I would even buy from the mall
Growing up in the US suburbs in the 90s, malls were still interesting. They had a variety of shops, arcades, and other activities.
It seems to me that mall owners raised prices and basically ran out all shops except big chains. Now every mall in America has basically the same set of bland stores.
@fitgse @ajsadauskas The enshitification of America started in meatspace long before the moving on to the internet
@ajsadauskas @fuck_cars at home in the country i try to compress my visits, while my occasional traveling to my workingplace in the city is filled with walks to various shopping centres.