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To be clear: I prefer to pay for things instead of having to see ads but 13€ / month!? For a meta product that has inherently user-hostile design patterns even without ads?
Who does this appeal to?
Just stop using Instagram. I quit mainstream social media (Facebook, Instagram, Reddit,...) and the experience has been quite cathartic.
I've been off of all social media for about a decade, but just yesterday i got a dm from someone from my past so i went and checked it out and then I checked a bunch of other stuff there too and my mental state instantly spiraled into a terrible place. Man that shit is toxic like nuclear waste.
Lemmy is social media too, don't forget that.
It's not talking to people that's damaging. Being able to socialize and discuss via media is healthy.
The damaging component is when an algorithm pushes unhealthy content because it drives engagement.
No one set out to create a rage/depression/anxiety algorithm, but those emotions tend to drive engagement better than more positive experiences. So if engagement is the goal, you get destructive systems.
Removing the algorithm does a lot for helping people engage with their peers and society at large in a more constructive context.
I did too and, while the benefit are higher than the loss, I usually feel really left out from one kind of partecipation to society and it's a bit sad.
They don’t want you to pay. They set the price artificially high to discourage you so they continue business as usual while complying to the laws. The price is a PITA charge to make it worth their while and to still profit from the ads they would have shown you.
I’ve never used IG but I feel like it would be a $3.99/month type of service. This price just tells us they are making way more than that serving ads or that your ad data alone is worth a decent bit of cash.
You would have to pay me 13 Euro a month to even consider using this platform
YouTube premium costs less than that, and that includes a Music streaming service
Now we know how much they're making with tracking and ads per user.
They are still going to be tracking you. That isn't going away.
They just won't use the tracking for the explicit reason of creating ads for you. But that's only because you are paying for no ads.
I guarantee the data is logged for all other purposes, and that the data is logged for future ad usage if you ever unsubscribe.
Secondly this doesn't necessarily equate the profit from your specific ads. This is the result of a legal battle within the EU. That's the only reason it exists. The price is determined as 'high enough to not get into more legal trouble'.
Meta already demonstrably does this. I deleted my real Facebook in like 2016. Around 2019-2020, I created a new burner account to browse Marketplace with nearly all fake info expect my name, phone, and email. And lo and behold all of my friend suggestions are people I know and mostly were on the old account. The most charitable I can imagine is that those suggestion had me in their contacts which they agree to share with Facebook (which is problematic af imo) but it is extremely likely they just retain all of data especially since many of the people I was suggested have never had my current number/email.
I think this is much more likely what they think people will pay. And/or what they think a percentage of people will pay that will cover costs/lost revenue from other users leaving. They have basically zero incentive to make it a 1-to-1 replacement.
Just quit, these platform thrive on user generated content while selling your data and now they want money from you so you continue to create content for them.
All because they make you believe that you NEED them to stay in contact and up to date. In reality it's much nicer to speak with friends personally, show a few pics and talk about your/their experience.
Too often when i still used that social media crap people would just cut me off with "yeah i've seen that already on fb,insta etc." and no experience shared.
Being off social media, as weird as that sounds, made me feel more social and it's more fun to interact with ppl again.
It's Meta's nonsense reply to being forced by the European data protection authorities (EDPB) to get consent before processing users data, which they should have from the beginning: https://edpb.europa.eu/news/news/2023/edpb-urgent-binding-decision-processing-personal-data-behavioural-advertising-meta_en
I have absolutely zero faith in Instagram's ability to manage this. They can't even handle account access right. I use IG for business (I'm a performer) and have been locked out for a month with full access to my Facebook, email, authenticator app, phone, other accounts - you name it. Their shit is just straight up broken and throws error messages when trying to log in.
Meta is absolute shit when it comes to supporting their users. I "deleted" my original Facebook account that I started in 2005 (you can't actually delete an account, only deactivate it, which is bullshit) around 2008 or 2009, and created a new one. Somehow someone started posting diet ads from that account about 13 years later (about 6 months back).
I emailed support and said someone had hacked my old account and was posting diet ads as me, but I no longer had access to the account because it was supposed to be removed over a decade ago. The profile pictures of both accounts were clearly the same person (me), the email addresses were the same, and so were the displayed account names. Support said they couldn't do anything about it because they couldn't verify that I owned the account that was posting ads! 🤦♂️🤬
I sent them a response that pretty much said "are you fucking joking right now?!" and didnt get a response back, but the ads apparently stopped.
13 euros a month... hahahahahaaaa
A number thought up by some yank that doesn't realise that's what our whole fuckin internet connection costs each month 😂
Wait you guys get internet for €13/month? cries in Canadian
Indian here. I pay approximately ₹2000 = 23 Euros for 200 Mbps... WiFi.
Products!? I thought they were services...
Anyway I don't see myself ever paying for social media LMAO, and even less now that I know about the Fediverse... Seems like a VIP lounge for us if you ask me, and I'm okay with that.
Phone got stolen last year. New phone, installed instagram, tried to log into account, but locked out.
Instagram tech support told me I either had to: 1) take a photo of myself, they'd check if it matched any selfies in my account, or; 2) I had to associate my Facebook profile.
I'm security conscious enough to not post selfies online, nor use Facebook. Goodbye instagram.
They are trying to steal more info from us, thats it
It's disappointing that they only exclude the information use regarding ads.
So they will still track everything users do and profile them, just like any other free user. And they can sell to everyone else who pays for user data (e.g. AI learning, market research etc.). With that wording, they could even sell to ad companies, if they e.g. use the data for some algorithm optimisation in their tech department. So they leave the door open to keep selling the data to 3rd parties, while already charging the user 'starting at' 12.99€.
I want to make the, "free", moniker illegal. Advertisers have to pay money for ads and they get that money from us when we buy their products. In addition to having to look at ads, we also have to pay money for the privilege of looking at them. Any ad supported service is objectively not free. No thanks.
Lol people actually pay for shit like this ?
Not to mention $13? Looool
13 bucks to allow meta to use your the photos you upload (that creates all the content on the site) to however the fuck they want as well as collect all your data to sell things back to you better and sell your profile to other sites.
Megacorps need to die.
You'll still see ads through. If not targeted and even not served by meta, a lot of the content shared by users on the platform is actually ads.
But I agree, the price is ridiculous
wE oFfEr ChOiCe.
An easy solution for this.
I would normally be ok with paying for a service that offered something I valued if it meant they weren't also going to make money from me as a product. This pretty much just says it won't use your data for displaying ads. That's the least important thing to me. I am more concerned with them selling my data or giving my data to organization that are planning to harm me with it. If an app was actually useful and being updated with new user centered features rather than only new monetization features and additionally would agree not to sell my data, ever, and to let me actually delete that data on request, I'd be happy to pay that much.
They definitely coordinated this and did it with all the other social media. Is nobody buying their data anymore? Brave of them to straight up admit they're using your data for ads though, and they're implying it's a bad thing.
This is happening because of some issue meta was facing in the EU regarding ads, privacy, et al
Even this approach is about to be declared illegal by the EU, then what?
I've just taken the app off my phone and use adblock when I'm on the desktop browser version. I still need social media to post my work out there (I get clients that way), but I don't need to look at it 100 times a day.
It's honestly been a big quality of life improvement to take all my social media off my phone. Been a month or two now and I really miss it a lot less than I thought I would and who knows how much time I'm saving.
FB the same. Fine, I don't want to pay for your dumb content (even when you successfully trained my brain to enjoy that content) so show me ads...
But then they "forced" me to accept tracking cookies which makes me angry... Still I'm not ready to leave, but I'm a big step nearer than before.
Also, isn't that against EU laws?
Also, isn't that against EU laws?
Very likely, but the final verdict is still out on that one, as far as I know. There are several other services and sites that offer similar opt-out of tracking and ads for money schemes (albeit not as ludicrously expensive).
I believe that's both against the spirit and any reasonable interpretation of the law, but I don't think it has been fully tested in court.
I don't think the European GDPR allows this (forcing ppl to pay for privacy).