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This year we made good progress. You know, Linux gaming becoming better, Reddit fucking up, Metaverse failing etc. But on the other hand Big Tech has or are planning to make some moves. Such as, Google's Web Enviroment Integrity API (EDIT: they backed off), UK's encryption bill, etc.

So what do you think of the future? I'm currently optimistic. I think the best recent event was Reddit fucking up. Obviously one of the biggest information sources going down that path isn't something to celebrate. But it was bound to happen. I believe decentralized social networks becoming more popular is what Aaron Swartz would have wanted if he saw how Reddit was being managed.

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[–] TCB13@lemmy.world 61 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Google’s Web Enviroment Integrity API > this is dead now.

I believe decentralized social networks becoming more popular is what Aaron Swartz would have wanted if he saw how Reddit was being managed.

This wont amount to anything. Social media in general will die out, if you look at things people are going back to chats (Whatsapp and others) and Forums (reddit, lemmy etc) because those platforms are what actually deliver the core value. The chat problem was already solved in 1999 with the introduction of XMPP* and the forum problem, well we've had niche forums since ever and eventually got Lemmy.

* too bad big social media companies decided to fuck up and roll their own vendor locking garbage instead of just using XMPP in a open way like Cisco and others did back in the day.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

WEI is only as dead as public perception lets it be. They already replaced it with a "more palatable" version of the same thing.

They will save the idea and repackage it and release it later to much less fanfare. It was only because people were paying attention that it got caught this time. WEI didn't have a ton of Google backing media. It was mostly commits to chromium development with people taking note of them.

[–] TCB13@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They will save the idea and repackage it and release it later to much less fanfare.

They said they'll release it as a limited feature to the webview used by apps.

[–] intrepid@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago

Don't be deceived by the 'limit' on it. Now they can develop it away from public scrutiny and then expand it easily, gradually and silently in scope. The only safe version of WEI is a dead version.

[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 year ago

Google’s Web Enviroment Integrity API > this is dead now.

Google will just wait it out, like they did with FLoC which was rebranded under the Browsing Topics API name.

[–] RovingFox@infosec.pub 50 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I am seeing it as a net positive. Especially because of the Windows 12 bit, the more Windows is an inconvenience, the more will jump ship, and some will land on linux.

[–] Facebones@reddthat.com 14 points 1 year ago (9 children)

What are some good distros these days to dip my toes in as a gamer who is certainly no pro but knows his way around/isn't afraid of a terminal window?

[–] Bananable@feddit.nl 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Mint is my go-to recommendation.

[–] swordsmanluke@programming.dev 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Ubuntu is a decent place to start.

Before anybody decides to jump down my throat over it, there are some very good reasons to not use Ubuntu generally. I know.

That said, I still recommend it as a first distro because it's

  • well supported - if someone puts out Linux support, it's likely been tested on Ubuntu.
  • simple to install - everything from WSL to a live boot USB drive to a full install, you've got lots of options
  • pragmatic - yes, it's compromised vs being truly FOSS. Otoh, your consumer grade Windows-supported hardware will likely work out of the box. For a first timer, I think that's critical.

There are many other, better distros out there for specific needs. Manjaro is a great one for gaming in particular, but can be a little harder to get setup with, or to find help for when things go wrong. But I still think Ubuntu is the best "starter" distro I've encountered.

[–] Bananable@feddit.nl 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'd just like to say that if something says Ubuntu support it will very likely work on all Debian based distros unless its something really low level and your running one that swapped out systemd or something. They normally just mean that they ship their software as a .deb file and even that can be installed on non Debian distros if your willing to do some special stuff. Also as for drivers/firmware I've never had any issues except when trying to use a distros that doesnt include non-free firmware.

[–] swordsmanluke@programming.dev 3 points 1 year ago (12 children)

Yup, agreed on all counts.

I just feel that if it's your first distro, it's probably better to stick to vanilla Ubuntu until you better understand the subtle differences between the various Debians.

Still and all though, it's easier to install a Linux than it's ever been. My first Linux was actually an OpenSUSE, soon replaced by Debian Etch. I bought the latter online and they mailed me the installation CDs! It took me days to get the installs working.

Now, you just pop in a USB and follow the friendly install wizard. It's friggin awesome.

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[–] pragmakist@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I'm on Manjaro and things occasionally go wrong and can be frustrating to fix.

Until you're comfortable with being in charge of a linux installation, don't go there.

[–] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Fedora is a reasonable choice. You really don't have to do anything other than enable flathub, and install the steam flatpak.

If using nvidia you need to install rpm fusion and get their driver... But that's not hard.

Pop_OS! is another good option. System76 is doing great work on it

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[–] RovingFox@infosec.pub 2 points 1 year ago

Not the best solution but right now I am using Geforce now. Not gaming on linux but I am gaming while on linux. Didn't need to touch my windows partition for the past 3 months.

[–] h3rm17@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

Garuda Linux

[–] irmoz@reddthat.com 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I recommend Nobara - it's based on the rock-solid stable Fedora, with extra tweaks to make gaming easier.

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[–] jlow@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago

Imagine Windoge going subscription or "free" but "ad-supported" or something horrible. I personally doubt that even this would make any of my friends switch to Linux, they'd probably bs more inclined to research adblocking on DNS level or Adguard/Pihole. Or going back to pirating Windoge ...

[–] intrepid@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

I wish I was as optimistic as you are about people ditching Windows. I see that happening only with people who are too poor to afford a monthly subscription. The (relatively) poor people are also likely to adopt Linux/BSD more since they have modest expectations that Linux/BSD can meet. The rest find it hard to adapt, even though there are good alternatives. Imagine people complaining that you need a CS degree to use Linux.

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[–] ExLisper@linux.community 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

On a Operating system/free software level we're doing fine. Not great (still no true open source phone OS, Firefox has like 3% market share, lots of closed/unfixable hardware) but you can work and have fun using OSS and it's not going anywhere. On a global economy level we're as fucked as always. Big tech isn't going anywhere and 99% of people will choose convenience over ethics every single time. We're a minority here and always will be.

[–] melooone@feddit.de 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Aren't custom ROM's open source? It would be nice if you could buy a phone from big brands with it preinstalled already. That would make it so much more accesible.

[–] ExLisper@linux.community 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Even custom ROMs depend heavily on googles services. If you disable all of it you're loosing some basic features, some apps won't work and you have problems installing new apps. There are solutions but in the end you're relaying in googles closes source services.

[–] melooone@feddit.de 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I know that many people still rely on Google's services, but speaking from my own experience, it's not hard to ditch them entirely.

I installed LineageOS 2 months ago, and was only missing my banking app, which I installed using the Aurora store and it works without any issues. For everything else I found alternatives which are, admittedly not as good/users friendly as Google's. But I wouldn't say there's no true FOSS phone OS.

[–] ExLisper@linux.community 6 points 1 year ago (6 children)

So aurora is OS but it's pulling apps from play store. Each time you update your apps the updates will come from google. Unless you will manually download apk files from the web... It works for now but aurora already had issues accessing play store and it may stop working one day.

I have an app for public EV chargers that requires google device registration to work. It's the best network around so sometimes I have to use it. I have device registration disabled normally but that's another example where google services are needed for crucial functionality.

And I've recently installed another app that would not let me authenticate on LOS. Google is doing this on purpose and more and more apps will not work on custom ROMs.

And we are really far away from creating mobile app ecosystem that's not relaying on google. You can install mobian or something but currently absolutely no one supports it. I need android to use my bike GPS, my car charger, connect to my car, access my bank and even to use my climbing wall. None of this has native mobile Linux client. It will take decades before companies start supporting Linux on mobile the way they support it on desktop.

[–] melooone@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago

Yes, Aurora is not the ideal solution and Google might be cracking down on it soon. But as long as it works I don't really mind it going through Google, at least I don't need an account for it.

And sadly many Apps are just made with Google in mind because it's so popular, but my hope is that in the future more and more Apps will have at least a Google free option.

Mobian sounds cool, but doesn't seem so promising to me as well. I agree that custom ROM's are not in a good spot right now, but I think it's gonna get better in the future.

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[–] Scolding7300@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

For example, getting a ride through Lyft is now impossible without GPS, their app won't start. Knly option is Uber through a website.

You also don't get notifications for some apps because of that. So I had to make some sacrifices to not have GPS installed

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[–] Zerush@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The core is the surveillance advertising, to create incommings with profiling and tracking user data, practiced by practically all large US companies. This is the underlying evil that must be eradicated, not only by putting the user's privacy in question, degrading him to simple raw material and merchandise, but also security by filtering sensitive data, such as medical and banking. This requires a deep review to eliminate it as a means of income for companies. With this, an important step towards a free internet is already achieved.

It is essential to educate users to ALWAYS read the TOS and PP of a software or service before using it, avoiding those who obviously share user data with third parties and looking for alternative products, which there surely are. It is the company's ethics regarding the user that is most important today. If there are more and more users who set these criteria, these companies will have to change or they will run out of users.

eg Google has excellent products that, from a technical aspect, are impeccable and many of them without a real alternative, it is their ethics regarding the user, which makes them unacceptable, this is the point and trying to tell people that, yes, the product is Good, but the price is your sovereignty, look for another one, perhaps not as complete, but it serves you the same and does not turn you into a simple product.

It is the user who determines the market, but only if they learn not to fall into the trap of big companies with products that shine so beautifully. It is the user who must determine what he needs, not the company.

[–] Gutless2615@ttrpg.network 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Reading TOS and Privacy Policies are a useless endeavor. They aren’t written to empower consumers or inform them abou their meaningful choices, they’re written to disclaim the maximum amount of liability. That said, I agree with everything else you said. Data brokers, surveillance advertising, and the lack of any meaningful regulations are what got us into this mess - but all those wrongs can be righted. California just passed a law to let you delete your information from every registered data broker, forever. When given the choice consumers universally opt out of surveillance advertising. And though they’re aligning on opt out frameworks, more and more states are paying comprehensive consumer privacy laws. There’s some reason to be optimistic - but as someone in those trenches… not THAT optimistic.

[–] Zerush@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

No, at least in the EU, what is stated in the TOS and PP must be true by law. If companies pass data to third parties, without specifying it in these legal documents, they may face million-dollar fines and even closure. The same as in all legal documents. As much as everyone at the beginning says that they greatly respect user privacy, or similar, they must say in the rest of the text if they pass data to third parties when they do so. Therefore TOS and PP are reliable documents, and even give the user a legal document of proof, if the company does not comply with these conditions. After all, it is a contract between the company and the user who signs it, if they create an account. But this should bother you to read it, as it surely would also in other contracts.

Google didn't back off. They're going forward with it, but in smaller pieces. Their first piece is going after streamed and stored media, instead of the web as a whole.

How do you control a population? You take away their rights, one little piece at a time, so they don't notice the change. Same concept as how you eat an elephant: one bite at a time.

This time next year, the internet will be unrecognizable and massively corporate (more so than it is now), unless we, the internet population, fight back and win.

[–] Xavier@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The future I want to foresee is one where everybody runs and keeps their data locally (or their dedicated VPS):

  • where everyone has access to at least 10Gbps symmetric fiber optic connection to the internet at their home/apartment at affordable price (doesn't have to be unlimited, but pricing per TB of bandwith usage needs to be less than USD $1 as it is the actual cost of operating & peerage)
  • whereas net neutrality is a prerequisite to any corporation/organization/government/municipality getting network backbone peerage with other network operators
  • whereas registering to a website or service actually creates a local secure database/bucket/pod where that website/service organizes/sort/manipulates our data and stores all generated modified data/metadata within our local personnal server, every time we interact with that same external website/service it gets access to the database/bucket previously created. Look into the Solid protocol specification to get a better idea (it doesn't have to be that specific protocol)
  • whereas FIDO2 or WebAuth or their successor is widely accepted for passkey implementation or just multifactor authentication
  • whereas all communications are direct peer-to-peer without transiting third party servers (as in not managed by either communicating party)

Moreover, even better would be to teach everyone from elementary school various concepts (from simpler to more complex gradually) of science, programming, critical thinking and empathy.

If I may dare to push even further, with technology (secure authentication, work from home familiarity, collaborative softwares, digital signing, distributed version control), give every citizen (from the age of 12 or earlier; because one has to start learning early to make mistakes, understand and form good habits) the ability to vote/abstain on every proposition, motion, new/modified law and decision regarding their own country. Have a publicly accessible historical account of every vote by everyone (excluding secret ballots obviously). Most importantly, every year end, 4 years, 10 years, 25 years, 60 years have a collective review/retrospective of past motions/decisions that were implemented and let everyone vote on if those were overall beneficial or harmful for the country/state/municipality. Empower those who tend to regularly vote and tend to historically vote beneficially (at least 70% of their votes after they reached 25 years old) for the country/state/municipality to become a local representative.

I know it's getting wordy and perhaps a bit complicated but keep up with me. Give accredited/qualified individual in very specific fields the retractable/overridable power to have their votes on certain very specific motion/law/decision be inherited by active delegation by any other citizens up to a limit of ~290 (Bernard–Killworth number) per qualified inviduals. For example, a citizen could separetely delegate his/her votes:

  • relating to healthcare to their own family doctor if they like/respect their judgment or even a familly member who is licensed for medical practice, it doesn't matter who as long as they are qualified for the subject matter
  • relating to renovating a specific bridge to their neighbor who is a general contractor or their nephew who is a civil engineer
  • relating to military procurement to their veteran uncle still with a sharp mind and keenly informed with world event or even their weekly indoor hockey teammate who is a unstoppable adventurer exploring every part if the world but also a office worker and a reservist

All while always preserving the option to change their vote anytime for any reason; by delegating to someone else for specific issue/concerns or voting on their own (always takes priority over delegation).

Well… I am being too hopeful and probably pushed things far beyond what is realistic, but it is nice to make thought experiments on what may be possible with technology.

[–] AtmaJnana@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I can't believe I'm seeing someone mention Solid in the wild on Lemmy. That's awesome. It's an idea that really could change the world. And I hope it really does.

[–] Scary_le_Poo@beehaw.org 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Windows 12 is not going subscription. This was a bad take by a worse source (who apologized).

Stop spreading this shit!

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They want to and it's coming in the future.

[–] Quintus@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Oops. Sorry mate. I'll edit that out now.

[–] TheDarkKnight@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Currently it certainly feels like OS is kicking the crap out of big tech in the AI space. Tech might have the money, but they don’t have enough brains to win the intelligence battle against the collective weight of nerds worldwide lol.

[–] ganymede@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Could you give some examples for us please?

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[–] Outtatime@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The future? Integrating AI in a way that spies on us even more than we've ever imagined.

[–] Damaskox@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I do hope you are wrong on that 😅

[–] Facebones@reddthat.com 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think decentralization is the key, but not necessarily these new fangled takes like the fediverse which have their own problems.

Just everyone build a damn site for yourself and if I want to know what Jeff Poff is up to I can go to jeffpoff.com and otherwise set up an rss feed for everyone I wanna keep up with. Community sites can cover needs for communities but otherwise why tf do I need Facebook for you to show me you went on vacation last month?

[–] pragmakist@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

I have hope that spritely.institute is going to address a number of the obvious problems with the current fediverse.

[–] random65837@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Except Reddit didn't fuck up, they pissed off a very vocal minority of people who couldn't give a shit less about privacy, the widespread pushback was about not using 3rd party apps, and not wanting to pay, it wasn't about privacy. It's never about privacy, and thats why we're in the spot we're in. We are less than the 1%. Most not only don't grasp privacy, but even when it's explained or shown to them what's happening, the tradeoff for "free" and convenience is well worth it to them.

I'm jealous of your optimism, but we had ONE mainstream breakthrough thanks to Cambridge Analytica that very briefly made the whole planet aware of what was going on regardless of the type of person they were, tech, non tech, teen, etc. Look how that ended, people don't care. Sadly, that being that way and us being the extreme minority may actually be in our favor though.

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[–] Smokeydope@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

No way to predict the future but I have some hopes that people will be pushed to find decentralized open alternatives as companies squeeze harder and harder. It ultimately comes down to just how much the average person is willing to take.

Some people have philosophies and limits to just how how much they take from corporate overlords treating them as cattle, some just want their convinent entertainment/escapism and will tolerate just about anything. We will see just how many people still have standards and how many will continue to suck corporate cock for sweet sweet convinence until the end of time. It's also time for the tech nerds to scream to the heavens. A big issue with decentralized social services is that nobody knows about them. Those of us in the know need to do our part to shill and shill and shill. Everyone needs to know about searxng, peertube, Lemmy, the fediverse, public Access Unix servers, the Gemini protocol, the lot. The average person NEEDS to know that there are community run free services that they can turn to in the face of corpos squeezing harder and harder to take your money and reduce your rights.

In the worst case scenario and google fucks the whole internet, we can start again.

Huge advances in radio communication technology and cryptographic blockchains allow the ideas of a mesh based decentralized internet to be really possible.

Imagine a world where everyone has their own slice of the internet in the form of a mesh router that also host their personal homepage, and everyone has a continually updated copy of the whole internet locally. All built on open technology and protocols. The ISPs cut out. Once and done payment for the router box. A truly free internet unshackled from companies.

[–] WashedOver@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago

I think the TV series Upload is nailing a lot of the future we will all be in store for and how everything will be pay as we go and for those that can't pay, the fee free life is going to be pretty limited and full of ads for the little we can do.

[–] notenoughbutter@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

we will lose until big tech gets broken

money begets money is the cancer of the world

[–] shiveyarbles@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago

Metaverse never reached a state from which failure became an option.

[–] Zerush@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago
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