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[–] comrade19@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I thought it was so you know what youre buying was made with less damage to the environment from pesticides.

[–] Hackerman_uwu@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Common misconception promoted by wellness ghouls.

Organic farming means that fertilisers are made from natural sources not chemical fertilisers.

Pesticides have exactly zero to do with organic vs conventional farming.

[–] Bumblefumble@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Maybe it's different in the US, but in Denmark, organic means no artificial fertilizers as well as no pesticides.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

In the US, it means they use different pesticides.

[–] Hackerman_uwu@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Farming without pesticides would be an excercise in absurdity. There are natural options but “no pesticides” isn’t a thing.

[–] Bumblefumble@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

It's possible, I'm not sure, but there are definitely heavy restrictions on the pesticides you can use to call your product organic.

[–] Fermion@feddit.nl 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

USDA organic absolutely prohibits the majority of pesticides. That's where the standard is most restrictive as there are very few organic pesticides.

[–] Hackerman_uwu@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Interesting. Thanks for clearing that up, I was not aware.

[–] i_stole_ur_taco@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They’re still drowned in pesticides, herbicides, and fertilizers.

It’s just that they have to use ORGANIC pesticides, herbicides, and fertilizers.

[–] Maeve@kbin.social -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are they still watered with used fracking fluid?

[–] VieuxQueb@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Maeve@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Yes, but I don’t want to ingest it any more than Roundup!

[–] joneskind@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Never was.

Organic means "grown without chemicals".

It's a statement against pollution and nothing else

[–] KaleDaddy@beehaw.org 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But what the hell is a "chemical" everything is a chemical

I used to work at whole foods and we had to do training on the meaning of the organic label. In a survey 94% of responders listed the reason they prefer organic was no pesticides. However organic produce is still sprayed with pesticides

[–] joneskind@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

However organic produce is still sprayed with pesticides

Not in Europe. Organic is by definition grown without use of artificial and harmful products like pesticides and herbicides.

[–] Ebennz@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not in Europe

Nice goal post move attempt. They do use pesticides in Europe too though. You're just wrong. Now you're wrong twice, nice.

[–] NotSpez@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Pesticides are used in Europe, sure. But to be able to market a product as organic there are actually pretty extensive regulations

link to source

[–] joneskind@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago
[–] blindsight@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Copper sulfate is a natural pesticide. It's allowed in organic farming.

It's also more toxic than most artificial pesticides at its effective concentration. Make sure you rinse your organic produce thoroughly.

[–] JayObey711@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Yea I had to do a presentation of food labeling (in the EU I should add). And let me tell you, the fish labelings are bullshit. I mean msc and the other one. They have shit rules that are not even enforced. There have been cases of forced labour on ships that work for msc companies. They also do nothing to protect the sea or the environment at all.

The best labels are the V labels and the EU label. V has strict rules and is known for barging into food productions to check for quality and environmental impact. EU labels are the absolute standard for all products. So although the requirements are not that high they improve the quality of food in Europe and of course sue every company that does not comply.

[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm interested to know when and where he said this.

[–] bran_buckler@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

It looks like it was back in 2000.

In announcing the finalized rules, former Secretary of Agriculture Dan Glickman was careful to delineate how consumers should regard the new organic label, calling it “a marketing tool. . .not a statement about food safety.”

https://www.nature.com/articles/nbt0201_98b