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If we don't want to set rules against lies and propaganda, can we at least mark it as a "controversial community" so that it stays out of most feeds? Thanks.

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[–] AgreeableLandscape@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 children)

In people's rebuttals against your comments, they posted links that refuted what you claimed, yet you still keep pushing the same disinformation (proof: link to the thread in question).

Here are some more links, curated by @dessalines@lemmy.ml, with responses to most anti-China arguments: https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/763d8e72e0309a4ce787a47ab7edfc03b0687392/socialism_faq.md#on-mao-maoism-and-marxism-leninism-maoism-and-the-prc

[–] Orphie@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 years ago (1 children)

Every link I've manually tried to click on, the content had been removed. For example "What's going on with the Uyghurs / Xinjiang province?"

[–] AgreeableLandscape@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

What? I just clicked every link on the Xinjiang section and the majority of them work fine.

In any case, use archive.org to look at the removed posts. If the posts were on Reddit or some other social media, yeah, they do that to things that don't suit their capitalist and US supremacist narrative.

[–] sickstraw@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 years ago (1 children)

Can't people already block communities they don't want in their feeds?

[–] Orphie@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 years ago

Not that I saw.

[–] SloppilyFloss@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 years ago (2 children)

Are you expecting a community about China to be dedicated to shit-talking China or something? This isn't Reddit. People sent you some great links in the comments of that last post. I suggest you unlearn everything you think you know about China, read the links, and learn about China from a non-Western perspective.

[–] Orphie@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 years ago (1 children)

I don't know, people in the US-- even many people who consider themselves patriots-- are just fine shit-talking the US, shit-talking capitalism, shit-talking the political party system, shit-talking prison slavery and Guantanamo Bay. Every time I try to talk about Chinese censorship and injustices on that community though, they deny them or pretend I didn't say anything.

Nationalism is absolutely stupid and everyone needs to stop doing it.

[–] AgreeableLandscape@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

Every time I try to talk about Chinese censorship and injustices on that community though, they deny them or pretend I didn’t say anything.

Because you didn't back up your claims at all, whereas other people replied to you with links that break down what you say as untrue yet you still keep saying them.

Nationalism is absolutely stupid and everyone needs to stop doing it.

Correct, that's why most people here aren't nationalist, and we certainly don't welcome nationalists.

[–] sickstraw@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 years ago (1 children)

I am learning about concentration camps from a non-Western perspective and it still seems like cultural genocide to me :(

[–] AgreeableLandscape@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 years ago

Can you post sources to what you learned that made you come to this conclusion?

[–] xe8@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 years ago (1 children)

There’s plenty you could post about China’s history, language, people, food, art, landscape, etc. if you don’t like what you see.

It seems like many people who claim to be critical of both the US and China are much more critical of China, and are also more likely to make generalizations about China, and Chinese people when they can more easily make distinctions about the US and American people.

If you’re actually equally critical of the US, Canada, Australia, etc. then you should be just as vocal about PRISM, ICE, treatment of asylum seekers, wage slavery, police, prisons, and so on.

[–] Orphie@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

I mentioned ICE at least twice and US slavery and prisons at least three times when I told people here I am not giving the US special treatment. But people here are not making good faith arguments. I just got banned from !china@lemmy.ml too.

Also I wasn't complaining about random posts, but about the propaganda in the article about the BBC claiming British people are terrible liars and that Chinese people aren't, and that they "don't do things for censorship reasons".