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[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Gaza West Bank and Israel all have to be dissolved. "Give the land back" implies land can be owned at all, which fundamentally violates the right of others to freedom of movement.

Guthrie said it best,

There was a big, high wall there that tried to stop me

A sign was painted said "Private Property"

But on the backside, it didn't say nothing

That side, was made for you and me

What needs to happen is the abolition of Israel and Palestine and the replacement of both with a south levant confederation that absolutely guarantees the equal rights of all citizens, and absolutely cracks down to the draconian nth degree against supremacism or separatism.

The Israelis have ruined the two state solution with their settlements in WB and in the Golan heights, so now they get to live with the consequences of democratic accountability instead of doing the rez shit America pulled where nobody felt like answering if indigenous folks were citizens too until they were demographically outnumbered enough to not retaliate against the politicians that screwed them.

Hamas are not freedom fighters, their the corrupt rez boss family that wittingly or not are the extension of the state's oppression over the people.

Also before anyone tries to cry ~~wolf~~ Anti-Semite, Israel's a major funder of stateside politicians that ferment antisemitic sentiments by tolerating it among their supporters. Why you may ask? Because American Jews rejected Zionism heavily since their state of being in the US served as a direct refutation of the idea that Jews needed their own ethnostate to ever be safe. Israeli Jews often openly contempt American Jews for being "woke" since even orthodox american Jews can be considered more liberal than their European and Israeli counterparts.

Israel wants to make America as hostile to Jews within their borders as possible because every family that flees to Tel Aviv over a swastika painted on the synagogue is another house they get to take from the Palestinians, and another "point" in the score in their vendetta against American Jews having rejected the initial call at Israel's establishment.

[–] TORFdot0@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If the cartels took complete control of Mexico, stopped all elections, and then stated their goal was to kill all Americans; do you think that we might start patrolling our border a little harder and deliver Mexico a bit of freedom?

The current situation is an absolute disaster and a sad case for innocent civilians who couldn’t even vote out Hamas if they wanted to. But there is a reason that Israel is in the West Bank in the first place, there will never be peace in that region until Hamas is stripped of all power in Gaza. Israel is surrounded by religious extremists on all sides that would genocide them if given the chance.

[–] Guydht@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago

This comment right here gives me hope for lemmy. First person I've seen who can think for himself here.

[–] downpunxx@kbin.social 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Jews are from Judea, Arabs are from Arabia, the Arabs should give the Jews ALL their land back including Jordan, and the Africans all their land back, and fuck off back to Arabia :>/

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I guess you also want all the non-indigenous people in the Americas to move back to where their ancestors came from, too? England and Spain are gonna get really crowded.

GTFO with this racist bullshit. What you're calling for is called ethnic cleansing.

[–] TinyPizza@kbin.social 1 points 11 months ago

He actually straight up calls it a cleansing in a comment from one day ago:

Hamas and Hezbollah financier, Iran, who calls America the Great Satan, and Israel the Zionist Entity which it will wipe form the history books, two weeks after "Palestinian" Islamofacist Terrorists stormed into Israel and slaughtered, raped, and burnt close to 2 thousand Israelis, concerns are noted.
The war will end, once Hamas and PIJ are cleansed from Gaza, and then Gaza will look far different than it does today, with far greater buffers between where the Arabs will live and the Israeli border. It's not going to end a millisecond before that is achieved, come what may.
We've got the US battle group in the Eastern Med, and we're ready to take on all fucking comers.

So yeah, do your part and report this guy. I have multiple times and nothing has been done.

[–] s_s@lemmy.one -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Are the Arab nations that expelled the Jews in the 40s and told them to go to Israel, going to give them their homes and citizenship back?

Didn't think so.

[–] PM_ME_FEET_PICS@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 months ago

Europe is not Arab nations.

[–] theKalash@feddit.ch -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Well, the first thing has yet to happen.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Has Israel made any promises about respecting Palestine's right to exist?

[–] theKalash@feddit.ch 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 months ago

Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich delivered a speech in Paris saying the notion of a Palestinian people was artificial.

“There is no such thing as a Palestinian nation. There is no Palestinian history. There is no Palestinian language,” he said in France late Sunday. He spoke at a lectern draped with what appeared to be an image showing the map of Israel that included the occupied West Bank, Gaza and Jordan.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/no-such-thing-as-palestinian-people-top-israeli-minister-says

[–] Nobsi@feddit.de -1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Here is a list of peace offers which would grant the Palestinians a country of their own, they refused all of them

1937 - Peel commission, rejected

1947 - Partition resolution, rejected

2000 - Camp David, rejected

2001 - Taba, rejected. Arafat starts the second intifada and a year later changes his mind.

2008 - Olmert offer, rejected

Hamas have tried to agree to boundaries Despite media attempts to portray it as a new Hamas charter, it is not. The new ‘policy document’ accepts the creation of a Palestinian state in 1967 borders, but still rejects Israel and claims its territory. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-39775103

Here are some other noteworthy peace meeting or proposals from Israel to the rest if the Arab world, which were rejected

1919: Arabs of Palestine refused nominate representatives to the Paris Peace Conference.

1920: San Remo conference decisions, rejected.

1922: League of Nations decisions, rejected.

1937: Peel Commission partition proposal, rejected.

1938: Woodhead partition proposal, rejected

1947: UN General Assembly partition proposal (UNGAR 181), rejected.

1949: Israel’s outstretched hand for peace (UNGAR 194), rejected.

1967: Israel’s outstretched hand for peace (UNSCR 242), rejected.

1978: Begin/Sa’adat peace proposal, rejected (except for Egypt).

1994: Rabin/Hussein peace agreement, rejected by the rest of the Arab League (except for Egypt).

1995: Rabin’s Contour-for-Peace, rejected.

2000: Barak/Clinton peace offer, rejected.

2001: Barak’s offer at Taba, rejected.

2005: Sharon’s peace gesture, withdrawal from Gaza, rejected.

2008: Olmert/Bush peace offer, rejected.

2009 to 2021: Netanyahu’s repeated invitations to peace talks, rejected.

2014: Kerry’s Contour-for-Peace, rejected.

Not gonna link Trump’s imbecilic peace plan as an example.

Here is a list of peace offers ~~the Palestinians~~ the governing body of palestinians offered to Israel -

None

[–] PM_ME_FEET_PICS@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 months ago
  1. Isreal outstretched arms in peace... Just after laying waste to people's homes and killing innocent lives.

The fact of the matter is no one will agree to live in a portion of thier homeland, especially one were priced farmland and religious sites lay.

They have historically lived in the area longer than the Jewish population.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

By that you mean the illegal settlements in the West Bank, and not 'The Jews must be driven to the sea', right?

[–] be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

By that you mean the illegal settlements in the West Bank

This was the interpretation I upvoted for, so I hope it's what was meant.

[–] mwguy@infosec.pub 0 points 11 months ago

Oh sweet summer child.