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[For reference, I'm talking about Ash in Alpine Linux here, which is part of BusyBox.]

I thought I knew the big differences, but it turns out I've had false assumptions for years. Ash does support [[ double square brackets ]] and (as best I can tell) all of Bash's logical trickery inside them. It also supports ${VARIABLE_SUBSTRINGS:5:12}` which was another surprise.

At this stage, the only things I've found that Bash can do that Ash can't are:

  • Arrays, which Bash doesn't seem to do well anyway
  • Brace expansion, which is awesome but I can live without it.

What else is there? Did Ash used to be more limited? The double square bracket thing really surprised me.

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[–] suprjami@lemmy.sdf.org 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

What have you found bad about bash arrays? I have some simple usage of those (in bash) and they work fine.

[–] danielquinn@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As far as I've seen, they don't provide any advantage over a string with spaces, which doesn't work well either when you've got values with spaces:

not_what_you_think=( "a b" "c" "d" )
for sneaky in ${not_what_you_think[@]}; do
  echo "This is sneaky: ${sneaky}"
done
This is sneaky: a
This is sneaky: b
This is sneaky: c
This is sneaky: d
[–] shmanio@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

You should put some quotes where you use the array:

not_what_you_think=( "a b" "c" "d" )
for sneaky in "${not_what_you_think[@]}"; do
  echo "This is sneaky: ${sneaky}"
done

This is sneaky: a b
This is sneaky: c
This is sneaky: d
[–] danielquinn@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Aaaaah! Thank you kind stranger. It never would have occurred to me to quote an array!

[–] suprjami@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 1 year ago

If you run your scripts through https://shellcheck.net it'll pick up things like this. Also available as a Linux package for offline use.

[–] zatanas@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

I too would like to know. Thank you.

[–] palordrolap@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

ash (and its successor dash found on other distros) is a POSIX-y shell rather than a sh clone, so it has all(? most?) of the POSIX feature set, whose syntax may indeed have been 'borrowed' from shells that came later than sh.

Not sure if there's a "parent" from which both ash and bash inherit the syntax or whether bash is the true source, but that doesn't really matter here.

All that said, it's worth checking to see if your system has a command on the PATH called [[. That has been one way that [[ support can be added to a system when the shell itself might not support it. Note that command names don't have to be alphanumeric like functions tend to be in a programming language (or other languages if you consider that the shell can be used for programming too), so [[ is perfectly valid!

[–] danielquinn@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yup, that looks like exactly what was done in Alpine:

$ docker run --rm -it alpine ls -l /usr/bin/[[
lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root            12 Sep 28 11:18 /usr/bin/[[ -> /bin/busybox

So while the Ash itself doesn't support the [[ extension, this work-around produces the same effect. Nifty.

[–] jntesteves@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Although that link exists, that's not what is being used by default. [[ is a shell builtin in ash/busybox, so that takes precedence.

On Alpine:

❯ which [[
/usr/bin/[[

❯ command -V [[
[[ is a shell builtin
[–] danielquinn@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

Huh. So the link is unnecessary and Ash supports [[ out of the box? Good to know, thanks!