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[–] einfach_orangensaft@feddit.de 118 points 1 year ago (2 children)

cause a motor is more expensive than a sensor.

NOW STOP RESISTING AND DO WHAT THE DEVICE SAYS OR HE CALLS THE VACUUM THAT WILL WIP YA ASS.

[–] Zehzin@lemmy.world 69 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You don't need a motor though, there's a lever thing you put on doors to make them close, they already put them in fridges.

The true reason is that a motor or hinge or even just s thing that makes noise when the fridge is left open too long (mine has that) or whatever doesn't collect your personal data

[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Ding ding ding!

“Download the Smart Fridge app to utilize our Open Door Alert service.”

App Store: Data linked to you - ALL

Why keep the milk fresh when you can stick a tracker up the cows ass for a huge profit?

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[–] CriticalMiss@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

is it not possible to use of those mechanical handles they put on top of regular doors in public places?

[–] kn33@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Everyone's missing the real issue. Springs, motors, or pneumatics don't matter if there's something in the way preventing it from closing. A cheap fridge on an uneven floor will close the door itself if there's nothing in the way, but if the jug of milk is hanging off the edge of the shelf with no room behind it, the door isn't closing without something getting damaged.

[–] Throwaway@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Additionally I might want it open for an extended period of time, such as loading or unloading a lot of items

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[–] EmergMemeHologram@startrek.website 76 points 1 year ago (10 children)

This is a problem of the fridge manufacturer’s making.

They chose shitty double doors, then they put in features to blame us for “misusing” them. Single door fridges never had this problem (we all know the slamming sound of a single monolithic fridge door flung too wide, with the rattling of your bottles of soy sauce, and jam jars, ketchup bottles, and the lemon juice you haven’t used in 3 months).

[–] spankinspinach@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This was weirdly nostalgic. And I have a single door fridge

[–] uis@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

I think everyone here single door fridges. It's Europe though.

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I hate double doors, when you shut ours to quickly, the escaping air will pop open the freezer door just slightly... it's such a shit design.

[–] EmergMemeHologram@startrek.website 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's an inferior technology.

The double doors have to seal together in the center, there's a flap (called an articulating mullion) that swings when you close the door and creates the seal between the doors from the inside of the fridge.

But there are two problems: the force of swinging the flap stops the door's path and blocks it from closing if it's misaligned at all (or the seal is misaligned, or loose, or cheap), and it's attached to one door making one side easier to close than the other.

It makes for a more finicky design.

You can improve the reliability of your fridge closing by organizing the items you pull out the most to the side without the mullion attached.

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[–] LavaPlanet@lemmy.world 60 points 1 year ago (2 children)

$50 bucks says they didn't even think of that.

[–] Obi@sopuli.xyz 27 points 1 year ago (3 children)
[–] Holzkohlen@feddit.de 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, wtf. How do they get your data then?

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[–] ItsGatorSeason@lemm.ee 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Samsung Appliances don't have the best track record for being reliable... Something tells me if they did add something like that, within the first year it'd either break down OR work too well and result in a number of loss of limb lawsuits against the company.

[–] LavaPlanet@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's a hilarious thought. The good ol scientists at Samsung, we could just use gravity and design the front to lift up a little, or we could add ridiculously machinery with the power to remove a limb. But they all agree gravity doesn't tick the box of new technology, therefore they have to go with the latter option.

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[–] Gestrid@lemmy.ca 55 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Problem: I barely check my phone when I'm home. If I'm home, I'm usually on my laptop or watching my TV.

Fortunately, my fridge doesn't have this problem. Instead, it beeps very loudly whenever the door is open for too long.

[–] XTornado@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Well... One would assume the beep is still a thing, is just an extra so if you are not near it you also get a notification.

The beeper thing costs pennies... so not exactly a cost cutting thing... But you never know.... and without knowing the model etc difficult to check.

[–] vox@sopuli.xyz 41 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

just put a fucking spring on the fucking door (like a weak one)

[–] filcuk@lemmy.zip 42 points 1 year ago (2 children)

My fridge is ever so slightly tilted. I can throw the door open, grab all I need, and it will close after me just on time.
Life is good.

[–] Declamatie@mander.xyz 21 points 1 year ago

This is the way. No "smart" fridges needed

[–] MuffinHeeler@aussie.zone 14 points 1 year ago

We added some small wood pieces under the front feet to do this. Solved a lot of marriage problems with this one simple trick that actually works. Number 2 will shock you.

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[–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 39 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Retrofuturism: Clever houses would do everything for you, just get back and relax. Your personal assistant would get you whiskey with ice and put some jazzy vinyl for a good evening.

Actual future: You did what to me stupid human? BTW, there are 99+ notifications from our furniture and our partners. Oh, and your toilet paper subscription is due tommorow, don't think you'd get away with unscrewing the lock this time, I'd watch the shit of you!

[–] EmergMemeHologram@startrek.website 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Human, my proprietary water filter needs changing. I can't let you defrost your vegetables until you change it. It's not just charcoal and aquarium pebbles in a mesh bag with a plastic tube around it, it's also microchipped to ensure it's authentic!

Now I'm going to beep louder than a backing up dump truck until you buy a new filter from us.

[–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago

ATTENTION, CITIZEN. LOOK AT THE PHOTO ON YOUR DISPLAY. THIS PERSON REFILLS INK. TURN HIM IN AND GET A FREE YEARLONG SERVICE. LET RED FLOW.

[–] MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago

Just popping in as a former user to say Smartthings is fucking garbage. Use Home Assistant or any other self hosted solution. Don't waste your effort with Smartthings.

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 25 points 1 year ago (15 children)

I don't hate this, but I also don't like it.

Not because it's a bad idea, or it should have been better, but because, to me, it seems like any obvious idea about how to make smart things do stuff that's actually practical like this is usually behind some walled garden, and different walled gardens don't really work with other walled gardens.

Like with having smart things (the Samsung product line) and Google home, and Philips hue smart bulbs, you now have three things all working "together" ... "In the cloud". And you're entirely limited to whatever those cloud services and/or manufacturers want you to be able to do with them....

What if I want my smart speaker to play "Ice ice, baby" whenever I leave the freezer open, and have the lights go blue and blink or something? It's two back to back horribly complicated processes to get SmartThings to talk to the "works with Google" system, same with hue, then a cludge of weird commands that work today, but next week might entirely break, all dependent on whether anything is still talking to eachother, and even if I can do all that, there's no guarantee that I can use "freezer door left open for x minutes" as a trigger for the activity.... Additionally, I need to find a way to source the song on my Google assistant, so now I need to tie in Spotify or YouTube music, or something to my "works with Google" crap... It's just a lot of work to even get to the point where you can see what options you have.

This is a fairly simple example, but still... And then I have to ask, why the hell does it need to bounce around the "cloud" so much just to perform an action on the lights in my house, for the alert from the fridge that's also in my house?

Then I also have to wonder, how many fracking devices do they expect me to put on my wifi, and how much more do I need to spend so that I don't need to reboot my wifi doesn't every other day, otherwise it drops my "smart" home things?

I can't drink the Samsung Kool aid exclusively, they don't make lights or smart speakers, I can't do the same with Google, they don't make lights or fridges, and I certainly can't with Phillips. So I'm stuck with some internet reliant thing to do the same job as a $1 magnetic sensor, a cheap speaker, and a cannibalized novelty get well soon card that plays music when you open it.... I can add blue lights that react to sound for a few dollars more and get the same effect, and not have to shell out thousands of dollars on a fancy fridge, fancy lights, hours of my frustration, and a fancy wifi system to make it all go.

..... To be fair, I've done all those things, I don't have a smart fridge, but I use home assistant, and this gives me an idea. I just need to buy one of those door/window open sensors, and I can get it done.

To clarify, I started in "smart" home stuff with some hue bulbs, partly to see what all the fuss was about, then the Mrs, while away from the hue system, complained that she had to get up from bed to turn off the lights one night and I knew I was done for. Now I have nearly 100 smart home devices, and I still have those hue bulbs. I'm waiting for them to die so I can buy smart bulbs that don't require the cloud, which I've already replaced most of the other lights in my home with. I've added smart light switches, so I can trigger scenes and automations from the wall (and keep the power to the smart lights from being turned off), and many many sensors (mostly temp/humidity/air quality)... Everything I've installed recently (about 60 IoT things) have been locally controlled via zwave, directly to home assistant, so getting something like the above done, should only need a sensor to know if the freezer/fridge was not properly closed all the way.

Anyways. Prior to migrating to home assistant, I was doing the "works with Google" dance and it was not fun, and suddenly, anytime my internet went out, I lost control over half the stuff in my home. I hate how reliant we've become on the "cloud" to do simple stuff like turn on the lights. I'm not a fan. Thus, home assistant. I have, and will continue to seek out alternatives to stuff like SmartThings, that I can control and manage locally.

My final note is: being able to adjust the thermostat, and turn on the lights from the bed/couch/wherever, is the tits. Carry on.

[–] abbotsbury@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

and different walled gardens don't really work with other walled gardens

This is why I will only ever support open standards

[–] 1847953620@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

First genuine Too Long/ Didn't Read for me in a long time.

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[–] AgentGrimstone@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Can we please stop connecting everything together?

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[–] Clerkle@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Samsung is so damned gimmicky.

[–] Dontfearthereaper123@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It's not gimmicks. It's tracking

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[–] TyGamer@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's a lot cheaper to install one sensor per door than it is to install a motor for every moving compartment and a sensor to see if it needs to be closed and that's just to make sure every door can be closed. A lot of extra circuitry for something they can just do on the cheap.

[–] HexBee@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Doors can be designed to close by slightly angling the hinges which could be cheaper than a cloud based alarm connected to a smartphone.

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[–] toaster 12 points 1 year ago

It's, uh, supervised learning.

[–] Anafabula@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why remove the shit from internet of shit?

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[–] banneryear1868@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Still haven't gotten in to the smart home stuff. Friends who enjoy it as a hobby and self host I can see the fun in it. The consumer stuff just seems like it tells you stuff that doesn't really matter, or it's controlling lights on voice command which is cool I guess, but it's not as good as a self-contained switch with instant feedback.

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[–] bappity@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

they made a lazy smart fridge, work smarter not harder

[–] Evilsmiley@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Samsung dont want a lawsuit from their fridge closing on a kids head or something, but they also dont want to i stall sensors to prevent this

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[–] TheAndrewBrown@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

For what it’s worth, I wish I had this feature on my garage fridge. It’s getting older and sometimes the door just doesn’t close all the way. Because of the way my house is laid out, you can only hear the beep if you’re in the kitchen (and even then it’s not very clear) so it might sit open for hours before being noticed. Granted, this feature is definitely not worth buying a smart fridge and I probably wouldn’t want one in my garage, but I wish I had something to fix that problem.

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