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White people who visit hospital emergency departments with pain are 26% more likely than Black people to be given opioid pain medications such as morphine. This was a key finding from our recent study, published in the Journal of General Internal Medicine. We also found that Black patients were 25% more likely than white patients to be given only non-opioid painkillers such as ibuprofen, which are typically available over the counter.

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 34 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's slowly getting better, but medical care is lagging because doctors are way more likely to be old.

It's "implicit bias along ingroup".

Those old white doctors never grew up socializing or even really seeing Black people as toddlers.

So they're not good at reading emotion (in this case pain) in Black people.

Low melanin makes everything easier. Pupil dilation, blushing reaction, all these things we look at on a subconscious level to understand what another person is going through is just more visible with less melanin. So if you only grow up with low melanin people, you're never going to learn to look deeper.

We can use conscious thinking to combat that, but as you age and lose critical thinking, the problem gets worse again. So a 65 year old white doctor just isn't capable anymore of doing that. Rather than understand the science behind it, they double down and say if they don't think a patient is really in pain, they're lying to get pills.

It's like how when surgeons were told to wash their hands for their patients health, more stopped washing their hands than started. The medical community even got the doctor who publicized washing their hands committed to an insane asylum.

Elderly people usually respond with aggression when their knowledge or skill is questioned, which ironically is another sign of the age related mental decline they claim isn't happening to them...

[–] ChrisLicht@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago

It’s wild how slow the medical profession is to adopt core changes in technology. You still see paper files, fax machines, resistance to email; outright allergy to SMS, shitty web portals, phone systems that take ten minutes to navigate, dictaphones.

[–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Study 1 documented these beliefs among white laypersons and revealed that participants who more strongly endorsed false beliefs about biological differences reported lower pain ratings for a black (vs. white) target.

Study 2 extended these findings to the medical context and found that half of a sample of white medical students and residents endorsed these beliefs.

Moreover, participants who endorsed these beliefs rated the black (vs. white) patient’s pain as lower and made less accurate treatment recommendations.

This paper is from 2016. That's 7 years ago.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4843483/

We need boomer doctors to die out already. And to fix medical education.

[–] Desistance@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

One of the very few cases where discrimination saved people from drug addiction.

[–] MrSpArkle@lemmy.ca 4 points 11 months ago

Yeah this one’s an unintentional blessing.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I feel like I have been hearing about this for a decade and yet no one has pinpointed the cause according to the article. Weird.

[–] neptune@dmv.social 5 points 11 months ago

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2576060/

"In both the bivariate and multivariable models, black race was a significant variable associated with underestimation of pain by physicians"

[–] PetDinosaurs@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

While I'm confident that this is correct, we need to stop normalizing the use of narcotic pain medications.

Those are for extremely acute use (e.g. surgery) or for terminal cases.

Edit: is this being taken over by the sackler family shills or what? Why is what I'm saying at all controversial?

Narcotics are for a matter of hours or days. Unless they're palliative.

[–] Drusas@kbin.social 16 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

As someone who was just in the ER with 9 to 10 out of 10 pain, you are totally incorrect. Sometimes you have extreme pain without surgery or impending death. Non-opioids don't even touch that level of pain.

[–] Subverb@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Four years ago I was hospitalized on and off with pancreatitis. Without dilaudid I literally was crying and writhing in pain.

Maybe speak for yourself instead of everyone.

[–] PetDinosaurs@lemmy.world -2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

So you would be a candidate. Exactly like I said. Pancreatitis is pretty acute and is listed in another post of mine.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

When a machine fell and crushed my hand a while back they wouldn't give me anything for the pain besides OTC. Broken finger bone and bruises and all I got is Tylenol. That was one of the worst nights of my life. Crying bent over with pain begging them on the phone for anything. I get migraines on occasion and that was worse.

My wife suggested cannabis so I went to a dispensary. Never had the stuff before and oh man did it work wonders. Under 15 minutes. If it hadn't been legal at that time I would definitely gone to the nearest bad neighborhood and try to buy something. Which of course could have gone seriously wrong for me.

Maybe don't tell other people how much pain they can endure.

[–] PetDinosaurs@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

What does any of this have to do with anything I have ever said?

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.cafe 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Your dumb ass said, in regards to narcotic painkillers:

Those are for extremely acute use (e.g. surgery) or for terminal cases.

Narcotics are for a matter of hours or days. Unless they’re palliative.

Which is not how reality works, at all.

Our friend gave us a very personal example as to why.

It literally doesn't matter if they're addictive or not, normal people need narcotics for severe pain and it's unethical to deny them to curb addiction numbers.

[–] ThePantser@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This is one battle we should be going the other way, let's give less opioids to all.

[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

From the data, it is trending down overall