this post was submitted on 28 Oct 2023
300 points (96.9% liked)

World News

32326 readers
531 users here now

News from around the world!

Rules:

founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
 

A connectivity blackout means people cannot contact friends, family or even ambulances to help the injured.

all 38 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 67 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Israel is carrying out Nazi style retribution on a civilian population and the West is endorsing it. It's cut off communication to mask war crimes.

The mask has really come off the white supremacist nature of Zionism and the West's complicity in racist, colonial brutality.

[–] Kalkaline@leminal.space 27 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Are there internet-like protocols where you can daisy chain transmission of text and pictures from device to device over WiFi or Bluetooth? Seems like we see these situations pop up fairly frequently and there would be some value in being able to spread communications that way without an ISP.

[–] SheeEttin@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, there are a bunch of p2p mesh network apps. I don't know of any that have widespread adoption. I think Google and Apple should consider building a "disaster mode" into Android and iOS so that you are guaranteed to have it before you even need it.

Of course, governments won't like that, because it means that people will be able to continue communicating despite blackouts.

[–] TheButtonJustSpins@infosec.pub 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Briar can do this. One of the coolest things about it is that you can also share the app directly once you have it downloaded, so you only need one person to have it beforehand.

[–] Kalkaline@leminal.space 9 points 1 year ago

Nice, downloaded

[–] livus@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago
[–] Silverseren@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

Hopefully so. Most of what we've been able to see in the past 24 hours has been from people with satellite phones, which is a slow process.

[–] sun_is_ra@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

these would drain device's battery and there is no electricity to recharge

[–] livus@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We need more widespread use of solar recharging.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can already get crank, solar, battery chargers, although they aren't too common. I have one, it's pretty neat. The solar is probably the best... it takes a lot or cranking to retain a stable charge.

[–] livus@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

@Corkyskog the solar ones are readily available in my country (priced at about 2-3 hours' worth of minimum wage).

But we need to roll these out to places that might need them more.

Crank ones sound interesting. I've only seen radios and torches.

[–] livus@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yeah it's definitely emerging that we need some sort of backup system for communicating with each other when regimes pull the plug.

I wish we could have a starlink-esque system that's federated. But as @Silverseren says, that could be slow...

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.cafe 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Here's what worries me: The U.S. Space Force revealed artist renderings of the X-37B grabbing satellites in orbit. Which means it's now impossible to launch satellites and expect them to stay up there if there's a war with the U.S.

[–] livus@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@pinkdrunkenelephants yikes good point. Or even if the satellites are inconveniencing someone the US has "strategic" support for like Israel or Saudi Arabia.

There must be a way though. Maybe something smaller?

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.cafe 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

There are micro satellites you can build yourself and have launched. They call them CubeSats and they actually would be perfect for a grassroots rebellion.

You'd have to bribe India or China to launch them, though, and keep the launch secret from the U.S. But in principle, it could be done.

EDIT: A dude responded to me by saying:

I want to know why such an innocuous comment would be removed, unless my conspiracy theory about the major Lemmy nodes being run by shills has some truth to it. Bro only said India and China are corrupt too so we need to look into other launch options. There's no way that violates any rule of any major instance.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

What a great idea. Market it to the prepped/collapse community— profit.

[–] mojo@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah that'll be nice to setup with the technically challenged during missile strikes

[–] livus@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@mojo I guess we need to set it all up in advance.

[–] mojo@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Tbh the way I see it, the first way forward is decentralization, like the platform we're talking on right now. From there, I think the next step is portable accounts and mesh nets on top of our decentralization networks. That it should be a combination of the two, with mesh networking be redundancy for when situations like this happen. That's what I think the optimal end goal with communication should be imo.

[–] livus@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

@mojo yes! That sounds really good. I know it might seem idealistic but I really feel like decentralization is freeing us from more constraints than we realize.

[–] bobbyfiend@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Technical question: how did Israel cut Gaza off from cell networks? Is there some kind of jamming technology, did they literally destroy/disable all cell towers serving Gaza, or did they get Verizon or whoever to stop providing service? Or something else?

[–] Silverseren@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago

They blew up the telecommunications company building that was the main circuit board for all phone and internet signals. They also focused on destroying as much of the physical infrastructure, such as cell towers, as they could.

This had minimal impact on anything Hamas was doing, since they have physical landline cables down in their tunnel systems.

So the targeted destruction was aimed to harm the civilian population and their ability to communicate, not Hamas.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 1 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


(tldr: 3 sentences skipped)

The WhatsApp voice note, sent from the city of Deir al-Balah, provides one of few insights available into what is happening in Gaza - and how civilians are coping since Israel intensified air strikes and expanded its ground operations on Friday night.

(tldr: 4 sentences skipped)

In the last communication we had with a professor in Gaza on Friday, he told us he was too scared to follow Israeli evacuation orders and move south, in case his family were caught in a strike on the journey.

(tldr: 1 sentences skipped)

But a small number of people in Gaza have foreign SIM cards that can pick up Israeli or Egyptian masts - and the BBC has been able to establish limited contact with several of them.

(tldr: 6 sentences skipped)

"We didn't expect that we would see morning," he said, adding that heavy bombing had hit "streets, governmental buildings, open fields, the beach".

(tldr: 3 sentences skipped)

In a separate video posted on Instagram, a badly wounded man is rushed out of a building as crowds shout desperately for an ambulance.

(tldr: 7 sentences skipped)

"Ambulances and civil defence teams are no longer able to locate the injured, or the thousands of people estimated to be still under the rubble," UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Volker Türk said.

(tldr: 5 sentences skipped)


The original article contains 679 words, the summary contains 226 words. Saved 67%. I'm a bot and I'm open source!