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I was having a conversation with my friend about this. We were discussing AI and she believes AI will destroy all of humanity just like so many others. I personally don't believe that. I'm aware of all the theories and the multitude of ways that it could happen and I understand that with AI, in theory we wouldn't understand its goals so we wouldn't know how it would destroy us but again, that's just a theory.

There's also the constant fear of massive nuclear holocaust with WWIII but I also don't believe that we'd realistically get to a point where we'd use Nukes on each other knowing the implications of what would happen. But it made me realize that we're constantly fearful of mass extinction. To the point where some people fight tooth and nail and will not try to look at things from a more positive or optimistic perspective. It's all death or you're wrong.

Please help me understand this. I'm here with open ears.

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[–] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's pretty ironic that the actual mass extinction that's currently happening is not really acknowledged by most people.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You mean the fact that in 100 years we’ll all be dead and all the people from 100 years ago are already dead?

[–] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Nope, I'm talking about the sixth mass extinction. The Holocene extinction , caused by human activity.

[–] ryven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 1 year ago

We have only recently (in terms of the length of history) entered an era where we can produce weapons capable of eliminating our own entire species. Wouldn't it be weird if we weren't thinking about that?

[–] TheInsane42@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No clue why we need AI for that, we can arrange our mass extinction perfectly by ourselves by just continuing on this road. 🤭

At this moment, I think the main issue is that we as a species don't think enough of our mass extinction. For some strange reason, most people (at least in 'the west') think they'll survive whatever happens, nuclear war, climate change,...

However, no matter the method of our extinction, I guess most people thinking about it think it would be bad. From nature's point of view we're just "a species" and when evolution in this direction proves to be a bad route, no big loss.

[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz -5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Unless in possession of a crystal ball, nobody can say what is bound to happen to our species as climate changes take place.

Like any other species we are vulnerable to extinction but as many physicist have underlined, the highest risk for a civilization is its start. After a certain point is achieved, a civilization can become technically immortal.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What qualifies a physicist to discuss the immortality of a civilization?

[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Here, indulge.

An per your question: the same that qualifies you or me, which is being alive and capable of observe and extrapolate possible outcomes through thinking.

[–] HerbalGamer@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

which is being alive and capable of observe and extrapolate possible outcomes through thinking.

You'd be surprised by most people's ability to do so.

[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 year ago

It's sad how stupid people are full of certainty while the intelligent are always full of doubt.

That is the biggest concern we should have.

[–] TheActualDevil@sffa.community 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Then why are we taking their opinion over our own?

Typically, when people cite something like that, they defer to an expert in that field. In this case, maybe an anthropologist? There's nothing in the training to be a physicist that prepares them to understand the early stages of civilizations forming, let alone is longevity.

[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

Have you read the article?

[–] Cosmicomical@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Yes maybe humanity will adapt and survive, but adapting in this case will mean witnessing billions of deaths and a very poor quality of life and much shorter life expectancy for the survivors. Imagine entire nations having to relocate because their homelands are now unsuitable for human life. That will not be a pleasurable experience for anybody and will lead to wars and genocide.

[–] Drusas@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

My guess would be that it's simply because we are aware of the concept of extinction and have watched as other species have gone extinct. This causes some existential dread, like learning about death might.

[–] fubo@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The "pretending to be wise" answer is that it's easier to deal with mass extinction than with individual mortality; that the thought of your own death is weakened by the thought of gigadeaths.

More seriously, though:

Major disasters have always been a large part of human cultural experience. Cities have been destroyed by earthquakes, volcanoes, or hurricanes. Within recorded history, plagues and famines have reduced prosperous civilizations to desperate stragglers living in ruins.

Preventing or surviving disasters is, therefore, one of the most important things humans can work on. Disasters loom large in our cultural consciousness because they really are large and because we can actually do stuff to make these problems less bad.

Disaster preparedness is, in fact, no-kidding, really important for you, your family, your city, your country, and the world as a whole.

Preventing avoidable disasters, including manmade ones such as nuclear war, is a major part of what makes world politics morally significant. Avoiding the devastation of war is a really good reason to get good at politics, diplomacy, peacemaking, mutually beneficial relations among peoples; and the high stakes of "shit, we could actually kill off humanity if we fuck up politics too badly" is a pretty good motivator.

So ... we think a lot about bad shit that could happen, because bad shit really can happen, and we can do something about quite a lot of it.

[–] Pons_Aelius@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

One possibility: It is a weird case of "this moment in time is special because I am alive".

Humans have been around for thousands of years but I am alive now. I cannot think of what the world could be like without me so therefore the human race must end in my lifetime.

This in not a new occurrence either, there have been "end of the world" groups in almost every generation in history.

List of dates predicted for apocalyptic events

It is worth noting that people always think the apocalyptic event will happen within their lifetime.

The only real difference now is that the end of the world is now caused by humans via nukes or destruction of the environment rather than supernatural forces.

[–] Shard@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago
  1. It grabs attention. Tell everyone the world is getting better daily, the long term trend of violent crime and war is actually trending downwards. We are making progress towards elimination of diseases, hunger and poverty. No one bats an eyelid. Say the world is verging toward WW3 and imminent destruction is here and everyone pays attention to you.

  2. Its easy to be in a fatalistic mindset. Its easy to say its all going to shit, What's the point? It's difficult to be positive. Its difficult to take action. No matter how small. Its difficult to see the ultimate impact of small positive acts. But every small act can and does make a difference. At least to the person it benefits. Its even more difficult to face the fact that all the positive can be easily undone by one guy pressing a button. Its difficult to keep trying despite that fact.

Because you can turn on the TV and air conditioning and it’s like nothing bad is happening.

[–] trustnoone@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Eh I don't think we're obsessed with it, it's more just like the likely outcome due to human nature. Largely pushed by:

  • greed
  • differences
  • And only asking "could we" and not "should we"
[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee -2 points 1 year ago

I’m sorry human nature? As in humans’ tendency to stop existing? To all just die out and not proliferate everywhere and master new levels of reality at an accelerating rate?

What about human nature indicates a lack of survival?

[–] Karlos_Cantana@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't know anyone who even thinks about it, much less is obsessed with it.

[–] redballooon@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

Redditors, mostly

[–] leraje@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago

Historically, we've always been pretty awful to each other. A lot of our cutting edge science has revolved around ways to hurt and kill each other since the first human realised it was easier to kill the person pissing him off with a rock than their hands.

In the last 100 years or so however, those weapons have become powerful enough to end us as a species and I think you'd be hard pressed to find a type of weaponry that, once invented, hasn't been used and I'm not sure we've evolved enough empathy to prioritise not killing all of us over not killing the country/group who are currently annoying us.

It's pretty understandable therefore to have a realistic fear that there's a very good chance we'll bring about our own end.

[–] redballooon@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Fear of karma or other sorts of retributions.

We are aware that we do mass exterminate a ton of other species and wonder what could do that to us.

[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 year ago

The end of the world has been a recurring theme in many human cultures across millennia.

AI and nuclear holocaust are just modern takes on an ancient tale.

[–] sock@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

if someone says "AI is gonna..." zone out and just nod its not worth hearing what they have to say.

[–] angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.com -2 points 1 year ago

It's spectacle. Unfathomable situations are inherently interesting.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because when the world is about to end it’s an excuse to not try at life.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"I'm not gonna save for retirement because I'm not gonna live past the age of 30 lol"

  • every 22 year old

...

"Fuck."

  • every 31 year old