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[–] not_that_guy05@lemmy.world 93 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

"But the Democrats made us do it. It's all their fault." - Every Republican that has been on the news.

Fuckin singles cunts can't even handle their own party and want to handle the country.

[–] Decoy321@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

This is the real kicker here. It's all just theatre to keep attention on themselves while they gridlock the House from doing any meaningful work. Then they'll use it as an excuse to say Dems can't get anything done.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 52 points 1 year ago

Remember when Obama chastised his Republican Congress for failing to pass the yearly roads bill? Because they didn't want him to get a "win" by signing it? Boy howdy! Glad those crazy times are past us!

[–] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 50 points 1 year ago

That's what happens when you vote for trolls. They can't actually lead anything.

[–] dhtseany@lemmy.ml 42 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Sounds like a party that isn't unified.

We need more choices.

This 2-party nonsense is bad for America.

[–] abbadon420@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

The system isn't going to change itself though

[–] zepheriths@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because 12 of them will only elect a maga one.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And I can't believe I'm saying this but I'm glad that they're holding out. The less they're touching legislation like a bunch of conniving molesters by abusing their majority, the better.

[–] jsh@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's their goal. Paralyze congress, prevent funding bills and critical legislation from even being voted on, and then go to their voters and blame their failures on the "non-cooperative" democrats.

[–] Red_October@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

The voters who would believe Democrats are the ones who are obstructing government, and the voters who would ever vote for anyone who isn't a Republican, have no overlap.

[–] devbo@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Are you telling me people in the same party, of a 2 party system, can have some differing opinions? crazy thought.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Here's the thing. The job of a Congress member is to create compromise and work for all the people. If they can't work the most basic part of the job, what good are they?

[–] Alexstarfire@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)
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[–] TheSanSabaSongbird@lemdro.id 11 points 1 year ago

So in 250+ years this has never happened, but you're totally cool with it because it jives with some misconception you have about what's really going on? The real reason this is happening is that the Republicans, through gerrymandering and collective cowardice, have allowed themselves to be taken over by a crazed nihilistic extremist minority. It's not about different opinions.

[–] Dkarma@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Doubly so when you realize "fall in line" has been their mantra for the past 30 years and the straw that broke that camels back was checks notes bipartisanship...

[–] rifugee@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Hey, there's 2 parties, so 2 opinions. Plenty! If we had more options, we would all suffer from decision paralysis, right!? Right?

[–] JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.sdf.org 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They can't decide how corrupt and evil they want to be

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[–] rainynight65@feddit.de 21 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Tell them they're not getting paid until they have elected a speaker. Watch how quickly they'll sort themselves out.

[–] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not very quickly. How many of them are multimillionaires? Go ahead, guess. Here's a hint.

More than half of those in Congress are millionaires, data from lawmakers’ most recent personal financial disclosures shows. The median net worth of members of Congress who filed disclosures last year is just over $1 million. 

They won't care if they miss a year's worth of paychecks if they can hurt poor people by doing so.

[–] ProperlyProperTea@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is why withholding their salary is not a good idea, it only affects those who aren't already well off.

[–] Mossheart@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago

Redirect the money to planned parenthood, watch how fast they act.

[–] ATDA@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I think they make most of their money trading with their classified information.

[–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

the oil companies won't stop paying them, why punish the ones who dont get that money

[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Does Congress still get paid during a government shutdown that they themselves cause? I wouldn't be surprised, they seem to make a lot of rules that make themselves the exemption.

Yes. It partially makes sense because you could screw the new congresspeople who aren't corrupt with hidden income sources into not being able to afford their living situation, which could become a really bad point of leverage for awful people. I believe their staff goes without pay though.

[–] neptune@dmv.social 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The house is only 50.8% republican.

When the senate is 50/50 they come to compromise favoring the party who has the white house/vp/tie breaking vote.

When the house is effectively 50/50 they apparently shut the government down for weeks on end.

The country voted 49/47 for Democrats so we will all held hostage while the minority figures out who their leader is? Even if their new leader was so great bills would have to pass the Senate (where the minority generally thinks they are too extreme) and the white house where again the opposition controls that part of the government.

Maybe the founders weren't all knowing after all.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Any system is vulnerable to bad actors. The checks and balances in this case are not voting for idiots, but

[–] neptune@dmv.social 4 points 1 year ago

The point isn't that they were morons, the point is that times change. Mistakes are made.

[–] TheOneWithTheHair@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago
[–] Red_October@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

Good thing the Republicans have a long history of bi-partisan cooperation in the interest of a smoothly functioning government, and thus have built up a reserve of good will they can call upon to help resolve this dilemma, right?

[–] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This .meme just encourages partisanship. Parties having locked unity seems worse for democracy than dissent.

[–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

when we talk policies this argument has some merit, but we are talking fundamental proceedings to enable the parliament to be able to work at all.

if a party cannot get this straight and its members to compromise for that,then this harms democracy much more. It paralyzes and ultimately delegitimizesdemocracy as a form of government,which is precisely what the MAGA hats want.

[–] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago

Oh. Yeah, great point.

[–] TheGalacticVoid@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I disagree. I think the whole situation will force Republicans to work with Democrats because now that there's 3 "parties," there will have to be more compromises.

[–] redballooon@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Only there are no three parties, but two. Any republican who deviates from that will soon find no more support from his party for the next election cycle.

[–] Dkarma@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Doesn't matter they have their districts gerrymandered. You'd have to primary them.

[–] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago

Republicans are very good at primarying their own

[–] whofearsthenight@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

That's pretty much what's happened. Cheney, Kinziger, etc. I'm not sure what the overlap of R's sitting in districts Biden won by a lot, but I'm guessing there aren't many.

I mean, this is of course the Republican parties own doing. They've been poking at the rabid dog that is their base for decades and accelerated further with the tea party, birther nonsense, catastrophizing a tan suit, etc, on top of their usual cries to cut education and social programs. Now they can't control the monster they have created, which is honestly at least a little satisfying, except, you know, the whole sane people still being also trapped with the monster also part.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That’s how it’s supposed to work, elected officials represent their constituents not their party

[–] ComradeKhoumrag@infosec.pub 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's not how Republicans work though, tow the party line is sort of their mantra

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That’s irrelevant to saying not doing that isn’t something to criticize

[–] ComradeKhoumrag@infosec.pub 4 points 1 year ago

It is something to criticize, especially so if it's a value the Republican party admits to not caring about. It also makes the current tension all the more interesting, it's unusual for there to not be unity

[–] TheSanSabaSongbird@lemdro.id 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Uh, no, this is not in fact how it's supposed to work. Not even close. This is why it's never happened before.

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[–] Case@lemmynsfw.com 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How about if the government shuts down there is an emergency re-election of all members of whatever segment of government caused it.

All of them, all sides. Not eligible for re-election because they obviously FAILED at their job.

The average working person doesn't get a chance if they shut down their "company."

[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sounds like an easy system to abuse.

[–] uis@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It is, look at Russia. If gosduma does not rubberstamp prime minister president wants three times, gosduma will be reelected.

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