About 2,000 U.S. troops told to prepare for deployment in response to Israel-Hamas war : worldnews

[–] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 43 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Glad af I'm out.

I just wanted to go to college, I didn't even want to help liberate Iraqi oil from Iraq, but these unlucky motherfuckers have to participate in something even stupider than a normal "that resource rich land needs some FREEDUMB" capitalist pillage job: a fucking religious crusade.

Imagine killing and being killed literally over an imaginary friend contest.

[–] zerfuffle@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Imagine having to serve in the military to be able to afford college.

America is fucked.

[–] agitatedpotato@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

We call it the 'economic draft', its a widely observed and studied phenom, and yet it continues.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Soon

[–] Flyswat@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RELIGION.

Please stop repeating this propaganda point. It's not Jews vs. Muslims, it's occupying Israelis vs. occupied Palestinians

[–] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

The war being waged by Hamas and the Israeli Government seeking increased power/dominion is about power and not religion, on that we can agree.

That said, those beneath both entities are sold on the necessity of violence using the justification of religious conflict.

As from its inception, religion has never been for the authority of the time to worship devoutly. Most religions, and certainly the Judeo-Christian faiths, have always been a means to manipulate and control those authority rules. The Old Testament fucking drips with "do what authority orders, or you'll be smote." and the subsequent branches didn't fall far from the oak.

I would prefer a non willfully ignorant species that has to be told by authority "I want to kill these people because I want to take their land for our nation/These people took our land and freedom so we will attack them when we get an opportunity" instead of being allowed to do what they want on the basis of fairy tales. Without that tool, convincing people to enthusiastically kill and die for you gets a lot harder.

[–] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

This is more of a renters rights movement than a religious one.

[–] Cannibal_MoshpitV3@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Most of these are medical, advising, and EOD. Above article even says explosive handling.

Another sensationalist title and selectively worded article, making it seem as if the US is going full crusade.

Sources:

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/israel-hamas-war-gaza-palestinians/card/u-s-picks-troops-to-prepare-for-potential-deployment-to-middle-east-0pYNLxiZ7dmUbN6NxCML - Says Medical and advising staff

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2023/10/16/israel-hamas-war-live-updates/71201737007/ - says Medical and Gate crossing security

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/17/world/middleeast/pentagon-us-troops.html - Medical and advising

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2023/10/17/pentagon-orders-2000-troops-prepare-deploy-israel-war-prompts-growing-us-military-presence.html - take this with a grain of salt, since it's a military source. Says the most combat troops deployed were special forces to secure the embassy.

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4259025-pentagon-puts-troops-on-notice-to-prepare-to-deploy-to-support-israel-reports/ - advising and medical

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/16/politics/us-marines-pentagon-israel/index.html - Medical and logistical support

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/pentagon-sends-deployment-notices-to-2000-us-troops-over-israel-hamas-war/ - Medical, explosive ordinance, and advising

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mollybohannon/2023/10/16/2000-us-troops-may-deploy-to-middle-east-amid-israel-hamas-war/ - Medical or advising support, NOT combat roles

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/us-military-roughly-troops-prepare-deployment-israel-hamas - US officials do not intend to have US troops see combat

Based on these sources, the US being there is officially for posturing and mostly medical support, as well as advising. Several of these sources also state that there are American citizens among the hostages.

[–] livus@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

advising

"Advising" is mostly CIA etc isn't it? Their advisers in other parts of the world engaging in human rights abuses haven't exactly been benign.

[–] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Green berets, other special forces.

CIA isn't particularly helpful aside from smuggling drugs and doing actual dirty shit.

[–] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Thank you for doing some research.

[–] agitatedpotato@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

As far as I'm concerned any soldier who operates with the IDF forces right now can fucking stay there. I don't want to let ethnic cleansers back into the country and you shouldn't either. Soldiers have not only a right but a duty to not to follow orders that would classify as a war crime, claiming orders came from a superior does not legally vacate you from responsibility for the action, and the full weight of the consequences will go to you.

[–] Jumi@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The USA's main export is war and murder.

[–] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

We also exported modern capital markets, and their absolute sociopathy and cold cruelty towards their own societies, people, and planet, exclusively in the name of short-term, private profit at all costs.

I feel extreme guilt as an American for our successful poisoning of Western Europe with our hyper-individualist "fuck you I got mine" cultural race to the bottom values. The UK used to have a sense of community, believe it or not.

[–] library_napper@monyet.cc 2 points 1 year ago

It's actually turbines, but war profiteering is close

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Lol no

It's highly sophisticated defense products that are used for war and murder.

Also overpriced Lockheed junk lol

[–] shami1kemi1@sopuli.xyz -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Fairly sure that the USA's main export are various hydrocarbon products like gasoline and crude petroleum alongside LNG. And things such as aeroplane parts and passenger vehicles.

But even for the war and murder, I'm fairly sure that people like pres. Zelenskyy alongside the people of Ukraine are quite happy with the "war and murder" exported to them in the form of HIMARS, Patriot and other American armaments to defend their homes against an aggressor attempting to wipe them out. Not to mention the millions of people here in the rest of Europe, or in Japan, South Korea et cetera that explicitly benefit from partnerships with the US even in the fields of "war and murder".

But yes, as far as the Israel-Hamas conflict is concerned, I'm not even sure whether Israel even needs the help. It's nevertheless quite morally corrupt to aid Israel in this kind of a manner.

[–] Chariotwheel@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

These who received the orders were already on 96-hour prepare-to-deploy status, which has now been shortened to 24 hours.

So, how do I imagine this. Does this mean everything already packed up and ready to go, with everyone relieved from any regular duty, ready to put on boots and walk to the planes at any moment?

[–] marine_mustang@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Without additional details on where those troops are (US or already on board ships in the Mediterranean?), it could mean a few things, but speaking from my own experience it would involve having all required equipment packed up and staged on a military base, personnel would have a bag packed and easily accessible, and any scheduled training exercises would likely be cancelled, especially if they were multi-day exercises. Normal daily routine would be the same. Any leave would be cancelled. 24 hours was how long we had to report to an assembly area for deployment, not necessarily actually leave the country, much less arrive at the destination.

[–] Chariotwheel@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Thank you. So, you can calmly finish your current task and even get a whiff of sleep and a meal to be fit for the deployment. Or do people tend to sleep/dooze in the deployment area?

With the US having soldiers in the area in closer areas and the situation being very volatile, one would think that the soldiers aren't coming from the US.

[–] Vqhm@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Hurry up and wait.

If you're a specialist that's needed for a specific task you might have to travel a long way.

You probably already have bags packed. You probably already have a limited power of attorney or will. You might write some checks out for rent/bills. You might make sure your gf/wife/dependa has some condoms ready for Jody. You might want to make sure you have childcare someone to watch your dog, someone to start or charge your car while gone or you might arrange for someone to put the car on parked status for cheaper insurance and just jump it or buy a new battery when you get back.

You prolly make sure all your CBTs are done and maybe if you don't already have it done you get a checklist of shit to do on base. That quickly turns into a series of quests just like that video game you hate.

Then if you do deploy you get a call and possibly have to call some else on a phone tree and go HURRY UP AND WAIT.

[–] marine_mustang@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

Hell yeah we slept in the deployment area. We were deploying to Afghanistan by air, and after showing up on base with the hand-carry gear that would go on the plane with us (other gear was a combination of cargo flight and stuff already there) we jumped on the passenger buses to take us to the nearby air base we would fly out of. It was still early when we got there, both early in the morning and early for the flight. You always build in plenty of extra time; “hurry up and wait” is the mantra. So we spent a few hours before the plane even showed up just waiting in the passenger terminal, which was just a big hangar with a snack bar on one end and unlimited coffee. Most of us slept for a bit. And before you ask where, the answer is always “on the floor”.

[–] library_napper@monyet.cc 6 points 1 year ago

Glad to see someone is going to protect Gaza from the Israelis /s

[–] arymandias@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago

General, it has come to my attention that there are hospitals in Gaza that haven’t been bombed yet, quick deploy the troops!

[–] Selmafudd@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I didnt watch the whole thing only a sound bite but didn't Biden tell other countries to stay out of it? "Don't" or somethin

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is the best summary I could come up with:

About 2,000 U.S. troops have been put on prepare-to-deploy orders for possible support to Israel, according to a defense official.

If they were deployed, they would go to a nearby country to be prepared to support Israel in the war against Hamas, the official said.

Dwight D. Eisenhower Carrier Strike Group to the eastern Mediterranean Sea, where it will join the U.S.S.

The Israel Defense Forces have massed military personnel and equipment at the Gaza border, preparing to expand a retaliatory aerial attack with what it said would be “an integrated and coordinated attack from the air, sea and land.”

Hamas, which rules Gaza, carried out the worst terrorist attack in Israel in decades just over a week ago.

Secretary of State Antony Blinken on Monday was in Tel Aviv, where he was meeting with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his war Cabinet in the Defense Ministry for more than six hours.

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[–] Fiivemacs@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

More religion bullshit..

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