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Israel has been explicit about what it’s carrying out in Gaza. Why isn’t the world listening?

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[–] Ooops@kbin.social 58 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

The world is listening. But the world is not allowed to say anything because the moment they criticise Israel's government they are obviously evil anti-semites that should be shot on the spot.

Right now every single article criticising Israel's government is drowned out by two dozen articles about all those despicable anti-semites everywhere excusing Hamas terrorism. Doesn't matter that it's a lie, that noone actually excused those terrorist acts. It's just a rediculous over the top strawman.

But this ist our new post-factual reality. Those who scream their lie the loudest are right.

[–] Melkath@kbin.social 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Hamas Rebels carried out an effective terrorist attack in retaliation to years of GLOBALLY SANCTIONED terrorism at the hands if Israel.

Now what was are observing is Israel quadrupling down on their terrorist activities whilst simultaneously waging an infowar.

Who do you think is more equipped to wage an infowar? A first world, heavily subsidized, safe government with all of the state of the art technology a little terrorist state can ask for? Or a poor destitute region whose infrastructure has been absolutely devastated over the decades, is again getting pummeled at full force, where hundreds if not thousands are getting ruthlessly slaughtered daily?

And Israel is STILL losing the infowar.

Why? Because the people of the world know exactly what is occurring but the governments of the world are so overwhelmingly corrupt that they maintain status quo so they also continue to get their shares of the subsidies.

Earth is fucked.

[–] Floufym@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hamas didn’t do a terrorist attack. A war crime, sure. A terrorist attacked, no.

[–] Melkath@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

I'm genuinely intrigued by how you separate those terms in reference to the Hamas attack on the music festival.

Not being confrontational. I'm struggling with a mean does or does not equal average does or does not descriptive statistic conversation on another thread.

Off the cuff, my take has been "Hamas is a terrorist organization. The Israeli Military is a much bigger and more agregious terrorist organization. Let them have eachother and let Israili and Palestinian civilians make music together".

So here I am genuinely interested in your (and anyone elses) answer to "what is a terrorist attack, and how does it differ from a war crime? Bonus points: In current events, explain how Hamas has committed war crimes, but not terrorist attacks?"

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

People & governments of the Global South have plenty to say right now, though few of us in the Global North will hear them unless we go out of our way.

[–] tillimarleen@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago

Ja, ne. Du bedienst hier doch auch ne Strohpuppe. Die Welt darf nichts sagen? Komm, du weisst das stimmt nicht. Sonst würde doch auch keiner wissen, wie beschissen es in Gaza aussieht. Dass Israel dort noch nicht einmarschiert ist, zeigt wie sehr auch die westliche Gemeinschaft das israelische Militär vom Schlimmsten abhalten will. Ich weiss nicht, was du liest, aber schau dir mal den Guardian gerade an. Hier gibt es eine Vielfalt an Stimmen zum Konflikt. Vertreter Israel‘s, Gründer des BSD, geben hier sehr konträre Ansichten. Aber auch in deutschen Medien wird doch nicht wenig auf das Leid der Palästinenser hingewiesen. Dass Leute, die Hamas und ihre verabscheuungswürdigen Taten zum Befreiungskampf stilisieren, zurechtgewiesen werden, gerade halt auch in unserem Land, sollte dich nicht so radikalisieren.

[–] randomredditor12345@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

noone actually excused those terrorist acts.

In Professor Joseph Massad’s newest article on The Electronic Intifada, he wrote that the attack that occurred in Israel on October 7th was a “stunning victory” and that Hamas' actions were “astounding,” “awesome,” and “incredible.”

And he doesn't teach at some no name place either. Dude teaches at Columbia

[–] agressivelyPassive@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

....and not one of those evil words is an ethical judgement, yet, you choose to interpret them this way, because in a black and white narrative, every speck of dust on your white narrative, must mean the other person is completely in camp black.

This is exactly what was criticized above. There's no room for any thought. It's just Israel, fuck yeah! or antisemite; Palestine, fuck yeah! or genocide supporter.

[–] randomredditor12345@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

your white narrative

Tell the Nazis my narrative is white. Tell the country clubs that banned dogs, blacks, and jews as recently as 60 years ago that my narrative is white. Tell the guy who shot up a synagogue in Pittsburgh and thought Trump was bad because he wasn't tough on Jews that my narrative isn't white. It's amazing how we are somehow both nonwhite outsiders looking to destroy the fabric of society or European imperialists looking to uphold it and it's whichever one the person viewing us thinks is bad.

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I've been reading up on the Warsaw uprising. Of there anything that a people that went through that should have learned that if you corner people with no way out they will fight to the bitter end, because their life is forfeit.

But with all wars, history is the one thing by the wayside, overflown by modern day political rhetoric and fear mongering, just like back then.

Different people being likened to animals. An insult to animals and humans alike...

[–] masquenox@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago

The comparisons to the Warsaw Uprising is apt.

Some would even say that it's ironic... but that's only if you don't understand what Israel has really always been about. It truly is a kapo state.

[–] audiomodder@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 1 year ago

Because conservatives in the US are using it as a playbook for the next 10 years.

[–] TheJims@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

We’re listening… the message is loud and clear, but the far right extremists in this country will never stop supporting Israel. They’re okay with atrocities committed against Muslims. Hell even the antisemites of the far right are cheerleaders for Israel. Meanwhile the rest of us are horrified by the actions of both sides and are fully aware that both sides are far right religious extremists.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

far right extremists in this country will never stop supporting Israel.

Please. This is bipartisan. Biden has unlimited support for Israel.

[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, Biden is in fact a far right extremist. They don't call him Jim Crow Joe for nothing.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can't just lump both parties together like that!

He's a regular rightwinger. Extremism, by definition, has to be unusual. Biden is normal in American politics.

[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah and normal in american politics is extremist in the civilized world.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago
[–] zerfuffle@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The Biden administration is deciding US policy in this matter.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

So just bog-standard right-wingers, then?

[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's not just the far right extremists, the average liberal is for it as well. But then again the average liberal is one villain arc from going full nazi germany, so...

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -3 points 1 year ago

That's right, the far right extremists who are currently in charge of US government are supporting a genocide.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago

Well, let's face it... the "western world" is listening - and it likes what it is hearing. Just like the "western world" liked what it was hearing when Hitler and the Nazis explicitly stated what they were planning to do in the run-up to WW2.

[–] ivanafterall@kbin.social -5 points 1 year ago