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[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

As an Arabic speaker, I can't find the part where it says "kill as many people as possible". Also the watermark (that's a guy's name) is interesting to say the least.

Edit: Apparently it's there nvm. Anyway while I could buy this being a Hamas document there definitely needs to be confirmation, especially with that silly-ass watermark.

[–] Limitless_screaming@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Page 4 line 4, and yes this is total bullshit.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

Oh you're right nvm.

[–] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 13 points 1 year ago

Nasty bastards.

[–] awwwyissss@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Dubious. "We found these plans on their bodies."

Maybe, maybe not.

[–] coco@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Disinformation ?

They printed that and show off to the rest of the world ?

Who to trust today ?

We plebs are to easily manipulated

Btw since israel creation they continued to kill peiples ans take theirs territory.

No brainer that part

[–] zepheriths@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Ah yes. "So the music festival was real but a school? Naw"

[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

How is it disinformation if it's proven that they did in fact attack schools and civilians?

[–] TheOneWithTheHair@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] 4am@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

“Media confirms it!”

sky

India today

You forgot the New York Post

[–] danhakimi@kbin.social -2 points 1 year ago

Sky news has literally given Hamas representatives a platform to pretend none of this ever happened. They say that while their agents take video of themselves torturing and killing little old ladies, on the old ladies' phones, and upload the video to their facebook account for all their friends and family to see.

Why respectable journalists would give them a platform is beyond me.

So if you're saying they can't be trusted on Israel—I agree, but not in the way you're suggesting.

[–] nyar@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Where are the 40 beheaded babies?

[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] kitos@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Except that has been already proven false. Times of Israel, seriously?

[–] UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago

That's some Putin shit right there.

[–] halykthered@lemmy.ml -3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Wow, Hamas is following doctrine as if they'd been trained by Navy SEALs. Did someone give them the Marine Recon playbook? They followed it EXACTLY.

Step : Don't memorize anything. Carry all relevant top secret documents with you.

Step 2: Make sure you don't die!! You're going into enemy territory with top secret documents!

Step 3: Make it back alive and with your documents so we can review and debrief. Those are the only copies!

Good thing this is in no way propaganda to justify genocide, just like those 40 babies being beheaded that no one has seen proof of. Slava Israeli!

[–] Limitless_screaming@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago

I am sure everyone of them had a copy of the 6 page top secret documents.

The pages serve to remind them: to "inflict as many casualties as possible" they couldn't just tell them that, they'd have forgotten.

[–] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Somebody who thinks criminals are smart

[–] halykthered@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Ah you got me there. They had the capability to plan and execute a military operation with many moving parts without being smart. Monekys with typewriters, broken clocks twice a day and all that. Probably why they died on their operation, too. Saw people with guns and started shooting, not realizing they were on the same side. Good point, upvote for you.

[–] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

You don't need brains to pull a trigger...You only need a finger. Others plan.

[–] Limitless_screaming@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So the people with brains just gave them the documents, and sent them to battle? Are you sure those brains aren't flawed?

[–] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are you taking notes on a criminal fu*kin conspiracy?

[–] tsz@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

No but it sounds like you've reasoned this out on an etch a sketch.

[–] halykthered@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Another great point. Let's plan and draft up these top secret documents, and not train the soldier to the specifics of the operation, because we can just give him the documents to take with him. That way, while they're driving their jeeps and motorbikes and shooting rifles, they can take time in enemy territory to review the plan on the fly. Hopefully that idiot can read, though!

[–] chaogomu@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Part of it is likely that if they trained the soldiers in the plan beforehand, they risked leaks,

Now, we know there were leaks, and warnings to Netanyahu that he ignored, but Hamas likely didn't know that he would straight up ignore the threat.

There's also the issue of compartmentalization. Hamas operates in cells, because that makes them harder to kill in air strikes. They're spread out, partially disorganized, and try to keep communication between them to paper or in person. All to keep Israel from spying on them.

It's not a stretch to think that the foot soldiers were handed these papers half an hour before they were set to go. It's a sloppy way to run an op, but the op was mass murder and kidnapping, so I'm okay with them being less efficient than they could have been.

[–] halykthered@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

I don't think it overcomes reasonable doubt in this situation, especially given the widespread propaganda surrounding the narrative that hamas is killing children with no supporting evidence. My opinion is that critical thinking affords the benefit of the doubt to this not being accurate in this case.

[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh this guy again TROLL ALERT DON'T ENGAGE

[–] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com -3 points 1 year ago

You stalking me now sweetie?

[–] danhakimi@kbin.social -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They weren't all planners. You realize that some of them did the planning, right? And that some of them are not incredibly smart and can't commit multiple maps to memory and maybe want to bring one with themselves just in case?

[–] halykthered@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

I'm not convinced. It is more likely that Israel is trying to invent more justification for genocide. Throw all the italics around that you want, it doesn't overcome reasonable doubt.

The document is too prestine. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense for a soldier to carry that where it could be taken by an enemy. Somehow they're smart enough to carry out these coordinated attacks, but are too dumb to memorize their role for the supposedly top secret operation.