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The Western world yet again fails to live up to its moral pedestal

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[–] GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml 34 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I guess France's state position is pro-apartheid and in support of multi-decade ongoing ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, then. Which, you know... tell me some thing new :(

[–] stolid_agnostic@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The good news is that people in the world, as a whole, seem to be viewing this differently now than in the past. It’s the governments more than anything that are calling for blood. This suggests to me that the next generation of leaders might behave differently.

[–] maegul@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago

I’d noticed the same and was pleasantly surprised.

When this all broke out one my first thoughts was whether the post 9/11 experience would provide some balance in the west that would otherwise have been lacking. I feel like that might be true to an extent.

[–] FMT99@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Even the national public news here is now posting fairly balanced articles and certainly doesn't toe our government's "pro israel no matter what" line. I was pleasantly surprised.

[–] chaorace@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You know, I often raise an eyebrow when Lemmy jumps straight to the "this action is directly fueled by racism!" Argument, but... well, this time I completely agree.

The basis of this ban, as far as I can gather, goes like this:

  1. Terrorism is bad, so pro-terrorist demonstrations are banned
  2. Palestine deliberately targetted & killed civilians in an ongoing, messy conflict
  3. Ergo, Palestine demonstrations are now banned

That third link in the chain of logic is what bothers me about what's happening in France. Targetted mass killing of civilians during war is detestable... but it's not terrorism. Calling Palestine a terrorist state on that basis is a double-standard -- one which I can only conclude is driven by the fear of what Palestinians believe & look like.

[–] cobra89@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Exactly, by that basis pro-Israeli protests should be banned too. They've done the exact same shit.

Can't wait for all the Israeli apologists to come in here and act like Israel doesn't purposely target civilian buildings with the excuse of "Hamas was hiding in there" while providing no proof and haven't done it a countless number of times.

It's not that Hamas isn't a horrible organization, it's that people act like Israelis haven't also done horrible shit and committed war crimes. While also conflating Hamas with all Palestinians but going out of their way to separate the Israeli people from their government and Nehtanyahu.

[–] ikiru@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Fuck France and their bed bugs anyway.