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I've tried searx, but even simple queries returned no results. I just want sometnig reasonably private that works and doesn't turn the Web into a shopping mall.

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[–] skai@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I've taken to using Kagi. It may not meet your privacy requirements (more below), but it does keep the web wonderfully shopping mall free. It's a paid search engine, it sources results anonymously from other search engines as well as its having its own internal database. I generally find because the search results are weighted by its own criteria which in no way is influenced by ad revenue decisions they tend to be pretty good -- plus you can customize them by assigning your own weightings to sources you like to use a lot (like, say, Wikipedia) or ones you never want to see (like AI-generated spam domains). Privacy may be where it breaks down for you, and will depend on your threat model. For the most part, my privacy concerns are more for private businesses and advertisers -- which it excels at protecting me again. If I was concerned about law-enforcement it may be less desirable (it is run out of the USA and is presumably subject to subpoena), likewise for state-level espionage (and if that's your concern, you wouldn't be asking this question anyway).

All in all, hugely happy with it and totally think I've gotten my money's worth from it -- but I also totally get a lot of people aren't interested or are unable to pay for a search engine. I figure I'm paying one way or another, and I'd far rather pay this way than with my time sorting through ad spam. If you are interested, they have a tonne of documentation explaining their philosophy, search results, privacy policy, and what all you get for your money.

[–] 601error@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago

I switched to Kagi immediately when they announced cheaper pricing. It’s good.

[–] alex@jlai.lu 4 points 1 year ago

I absolutely love Kagi. I generally manage to stay under 300 searches per month (the $5 tier), and might move to the unlimited $10 tier just to remove any kind of anxiety around the number of searches (and to support them).

Using Kagi for some time now, 0 regrets.

DDG proxies Bing results with extra privacy. Startpage proxies Google results with extra privacy (it's a bit slow in my opinion though).

Ecosia proxies both with a bit oft extra privacy, as long as you don't click or block the advertised results.

SearX proxies whatever you want, but its kinda slow last time I tried it.

Brave Search builds their own index, which is pretty good (on par with Bing) even though they're only about a year old at this point. The company is a bit sketchy though.

[–] rtxn@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Searx is pretty good, but you have to tell it to use search engines. It uses cookies to store settings by default, but they expire in about a month. You can also use a URL that stores the configuration, or good old !bangs. For example, !go will return results from Google - and it doesn't compromise privacy since the Searx instance is the one making the query to Google, and then it passes the results to you.

[–] UnknownQuantity@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is there a guide on how to do this? Quite frankly, it sounds way too complicated for me - using search engine to learn how to use search engines and then having to set it up monthly...

[–] rompe@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Just click on the settings icon on any SearXNG instance. You will see a list of search engines with checkboxes to enable them and the bang notation you can add to your query to limit a search to just this engine.

My suggestion would be: try to get used to it, it's really worth it.

[–] RickyWars@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

I like Qwant. It advertises being privacy based, I guess I don't know just how private but it provides me better results than DDG did.

[–] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

https://librey.devol.it

If you like it you might go into settings and change it to prefer search results in your language since I think it defaults to Italian.

[–] itsgroundhogdayagain@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

DuckDuckGo. I also used to use Starting Page although it's been a while.

[–] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] UnknownQuantity@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] streetfestival@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Out of curiosity, what aren't you happy about with DDG? It protects your privacy unlike the other sites you mentioned

[–] alex@jlai.lu 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I've never gotten actually decent search results from DDG and was always ending up using !g to find something vaguely relevant, especially for non-English queries.

[–] streetfestival@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

Interesting, thanks for sharing. It's not great hearing that non-English functionality is worse. I've used DDG (in English) exclusively for 2 years without complaints

[–] Mac@mander.xyz 4 points 1 year ago

Odd because i always find what im looking for with DDG.

[–] UnknownQuantity@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

I use ddg and google now, but I'm not happy with either. I have used startpage awhile ago too. Perhaps I'll give it a go again.

[–] scytale@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Startpage if you want proxied google results.

[–] UnknownQuantity@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Google results is exactly what I don't want. It's a shopping mall and interest. The only answers I'm looking for usually come from reddit, which I left. How ironic.

[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago