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Artificial intelligence (AI) is intelligence demonstrated by machines, unlike the natural intelligence displayed by humans and animals, which involves consciousness and emotionality. The distinction between the former and the latter categories is often revealed by the acronym chosen.

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[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 29 points 11 months ago

Fundamentally, anything humans can do can be done by physical systems of some kind, (because humans are already such a system), so given enough time I'd bet that it would be eventually possible to make a machine do literally anything that can be done by a human. There might be some things that nobody ever does get an AI to replicate even if technically possible though, just because of not having a motivation to

[–] Crackhappy@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The flavor of cinnamon toast crunch.

[–] fsxylo@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 months ago

Was my exact thought. Lol

[–] riskable@programming.dev 11 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Since AI is trained by us, using the fruit of human labor as input, it'll have to be something we can't train it to do.

Something biological or instinctual... Like being in close proximity to an AI will never result in synchronized menstruation since an AI can't and won't ever menstruate.

So... That 👍

[–] idiomaddict@feddit.de 6 points 11 months ago

Synched Menstruation is supposed to be a myth now. I have experienced it many times, but I guess it’s mostly considered coincidence, which it could be, I’m not a mathematician.

[–] bouh@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

What would you bet on AI not ever getting the ability to menstruate?

[–] kromem@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

An exact 1:1 realtime copy of itself emulated within a simulated universe.

Pretty much everything else mentioned in this thread falls into the "never say never" category.

[–] noli@programming.dev 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Also being able to analyze any program and guarantee it will stop

[–] kromem@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Probably still a never say never problem:

In their new paper, the five computer scientists prove that interrogating entangled provers makes it possible to verify answers to unsolvable problems, including the halting problem.

[–] noli@programming.dev 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If you actually read the article, it doesn't say anything about being able to solve the halting problem. It used the undecidability of the halting problem to prove equivalence of another class of problems to the halting problem.

[–] kromem@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Which is why I said it was still a "never say never" and not an already solved problem.

The halting problem is impossible for Turing machines, but if hypercomputation ends up possible, it isn't impossible.

For example, an oracle machine as proposed by Turing, or a 'real' computer using actual real values.

The latter in particular may even end up a thing in the not too distant future assuming neural networks continue to move into photonics in such a way that networks run while internals are never directly measured. In that case the issue would be verifying the result - the very topic of the paper in question.

Effectively, while it is proven that we can never be able to directly measure a solution to the halting problem, I wouldn't take a bet that within my lifetime we won't have ended up being able to indirectly measure a solution to the problem and directly validate the result.

[–] Phantom_Engineer@lemmy.ml 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)
[–] NateNate60@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Computers will never consistently beat humans and humans will never consistently beat computers as snakes and ladders.

Or rock-paper-scissors, for that matter.

[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Didn't some robotics lab build an unbeatable rock-paper-scissors robot a while back?

[–] Seleni@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Calvinball! All hail Watterson lol

[–] Granixo@feddit.cl 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Pooping, my guess is pooping.

[–] socsa@lemmy.ml 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Pretty sure it won't manage Ligma any time soon

[–] deezbutts@lemm.ee 3 points 11 months ago

They will when they perfect the bofa fill algorithm

[–] theterrasque@infosec.pub 2 points 11 months ago

There are already specialized robots just for that

[–] Fleur__@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Stupid posts like this one

[–] RickyRigatoni@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago

Stupid comments like this one

And this one

And that one

And those ones over there

[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Organic intelligence? The qualifier never kind of removes a lot of answers when you also say "never"

[–] bouh@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

A bit fallacious to add "organic" to intelligence. But then I'm sure we will be able to make organic computers at some point. I think there is research into this already.

[–] imgprojts@lemmy.ml 5 points 11 months ago

Giving everyone money for free from the rich people! Yeah, that's right... wealth redistribution! AI won't ever be able to do that.

[–] ilovetacos@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -3 points 11 months ago

Well, I know my social anxiety is basically just a hallucination based on a bad data set.

[–] k5nn@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

I'd like to be proven wrong but Empathy

[–] RagnarokOnline@reddthat.com 3 points 11 months ago

Cracking my knuckles nervously before I’m about to give a presentation in front of the whole class.

[–] fubarx@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Truly creative, decent Dad Jokes.

[–] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I don't know, there are a couple pretty good ones here by chatgpt:

Of course! Here are some classic dad jokes for you:

  1. Why don't skeletons fight each other? They don't have the guts.
  1. Did you hear about the cheese factory that exploded? There was nothing left but de-brie.
  2. I used to play piano by ear, but now I use my hands.
  3. What do you call a fish with no eyes? Fsh.
  4. Why did the scarecrow win an award? Because he was outstanding in his field.
  5. What's brown and sticky? A stick.
  6. How does a penguin build its house? Igloos it together.
  7. I'm reading a book on anti-gravity. It's impossible to put down.
  8. Parallel lines have so much in common. It's a shame they'll never meet.
  9. Did you hear about the mathematician who's afraid of negative numbers? He'll stop at nothing to avoid them.
[–] EM1sw@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

Most of those predate the internet

[–] Zeth0s@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

How humans think. AI "thinking" will always be different than human thinking. Because human brain is "that thing" that is impossibile to simulate in silico as is. We might be able to have good approximations, but as good as they can get, they'll always diverge from the real thing

[–] Spzi@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago

I guess a good part also comes from learned experiences. Having a body, growing up, feeling pain, being mortal.

And yes, the brain is an incredibly complex system not only of neurons, but also transmitters, receptors, a whole truckload of biochemistry.

But in the end, both are just matter in patterns, excitation in coordination. The effort to simulate is substantial, but I don't see how that would NEVER succeed, if someone with the capabilities insisted on it. However, it might be fully sufficient for the task (whatever that is, probably porn) to simulate 95% or so, technically still not the real deal.

[–] Sethayy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 months ago

What makes you say that so definitely?

Funny enough I have the opposite opinion, human brains are the type of thinking we have most experience with - so we've devised our input methods around what we notice most, and so will be able to most easily train the AI.

I also believe that we'll be abke to reduce the noise to a level lower than actual person variation fairly easily, cause an AI has the benefit of being able to scale to a populous size - no human even has that much experience with humans

[–] marcell@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago

feel superior after being witty.

[–] Phegan@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] K0W4LSK1@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago

I was gonna say left turns lol

[–] Grayox@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago