That's fine. But the chances of me giving Microsoft money for a copy of windows in 2024 is zero. I think that's true of pretty much everyone.
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Yep and for your hundreds of dollars they serve ads all over your desktop.
From what I have seen you can get a copy of pro from some 3rd party sites on sale for like $30 and around $50 normally. I would be ok with $30 but no way would I ever spend over $100.
Still, even for $30. I refuse to pay for something to shove ads down my throat. If you're advertising to me then I'm not paying.
Genuine question - are ads in 11 Pro?
I know in previous versions that they left out the nonsense like hassling you about Edge, and dropping start menu tiles for candy crush - I'd be surprised if they decided to piss off their enterprise market as Apple seem to be gaining share.
No clue. I'm still on 10 and I always run o&o shutup and other tools after a fresh install. I don't get ads and such. But hopefully someone else can tell you more about 11 specifically.
Right? They try to make us the product by hard baking invasive telemetry into windows. Then want us to pay for it too? Nawh.
Most people buying a non-apple pre built machine or a laptop don't really have a choice. Microsoft subsidized their hardware so that they end up "buying" windows regardless. Especially regarding laptops, there just isn't always an option for buying the hardware and specs you want without getting Windows bundled by default. OEM bundling and business licenses are what's keeping Windows dominant in desktop market share. They don't need individuals to choose Windows, the choice has likely already been made for them.
I mean, you'd have to want to activate a Windows 11 build in the first place. I'm doing just fine on Windows 10 and don't see any reason at all to "upgrade". Let's see if they can manage not to bake ads and tracking into whatever comes after 11 and I'll consider it then.
Not a problem right now but Windows 10 is reaching its end of support two years from now in Oct 2025.
When Windows 10 launched, wasn't it said that this would be the "last" version of Windows and it would just get continually updated?
Yeah but then Apple dropped their longstanding practice of naming MacOS releases 10.x and went to MacOS 11 and if there's one thing that Microsoft can never resist it's copying Apple.
Yep, and that lasted all of about a year I think before MS backtracked on it. Microsoft has an MO, they release a bad version of Windows which everyone hates, then they remove/fix most of the things people hate and release a good version of Windows, then they get cocky and cram a bunch of stuff people hate into the next version and the cycle repeats. Right now we're on the "everyone hates it" part of the cycle with Windows 11 where they crammed ads, tracking, and a mandatory MS account sign-in into it.
I'm expecting Windows 12 (or whatever they end up calling it, probably not 12 as that would be sane), to bring back offline accounts, remove the ads, and at least tone down the tracking, but that will only happen after enough people refuse to "upgrade" off of 10.
Alternatively they could go the XP route and release essentially Windows 11 SP2, which rips all the garbage out and makes it not suck, but I think that's less likely.
W11 still has local account.
From what I recall last I looked into this, that's technically true but there were a couple gotchas. I can't remember exactly but it was either that it's a major PITA to setup during install (deeply buried in a very non-obvious location), or else that you had to use a MS account to install, but once installed you could then make and use a local account. In either case it's very clear MS is doing everything they can to force you into using their online accounts. I wouldn't be surprised if they remove the ability to activate Windows 11 without using a MS account soon if they haven't already.
No you can just put in a blocked email and then it prompts you to make a local account
What constitutes a blocked email?
No. This was one engineer that said that en everyone ran with it. Microsoft officially never said this
everyone ran with it
Because everyone wanted it to be true. Everyone wanted to just have stability and no more radical interface changes.
Personally, that is when I intend to switch to Linux. Will give 2 years of more proton, and wine, updates for me.
Skip every other windows version. 11 is a skip version
Everything since 7 has been a skip. 10 only seemed good for a short while because of how poorly 8 was received.
But that didn't last long when MS kept updating it with more and more bloat, more and more telemetry, and more and more dark patterns.
When Win10 came out, it was more performant than Win7. Now it bogs down and feels sluggish even on systems with gen4 NVME drives.
There are some aspects of Win11 that I like, but they took the bad stuff with 10 and turned it up to 11 (hehe)
Wasn't there a directx version that wasn't supported by win 7? Pretty sure that was done to push people to upgrade. I'm not a power gamer myself, but I can understand if you bought a video card that costs as much as the rest of your components, you'll want to get the most out of it.
Yes, DirectX12 didn't come to Windows 7
Similarly, DirectStorage isn't being added to Windows 10. But that's not used by many games
Everything since 7 has been a skip.
You younguns haven't met a decent OS! XP was the last decent Windows... Nah, 2000 was... Ah fuck it!
Every OS wastes your time
From the desktop to the lap
Everything since the abacus
Just a bunch of crap
Personally I'm halfway offended that my job forces win 11 on us, at least 10 didn't remove the old settings dialogs.
TBH, Win10 was a skip version too. Don't think I've ever had THAT many problems with a Windows system I willingly used. Even Vista was better.
Still works with Windows 10 keys, however. Makes sense since Windows 8 and earlier are EOL now. Also, you don't have to activate Windows if you don't want to, it'll just bug you occasionally.
Definitely don't paste this into cmd if your windows is still inactivated: irm https://massgrave.dev/get | iex
Actually it's also affected for HWID activation. From the link you posted:
Microsoft servers are currently rejecting HWID activation requests when activating through MAS, we’re checking what’s going on now. Use the KMS38 activation option for now.
Thanks, good to know
If I could upvote you more than once, I would! Thank you for the info!!
can you at least activate windows 7 with windows 11 keys?
Can I license Windows 10 with a Windows 7 key and then upgrade to Windows 11?
Surely they wouldn’t revoke your license after the upgrade.
Came to lemmy to ask about this. I suddenly see the overlay of "Activation Windows." I'm using a key from Windows 7 Ultimate. Fuck Microsoft, thanks for making me finally pull the trigger on Linux, ya fuck wads.