This is why the scam alternative medicine industry is so successful. The state of real medicine caus : memes

[–] Stoned_Ape@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I have depression since 10 years. A lot of professionals diagnose a lot of bullshit, honestly. I'm not saying this lightly. But I have to say this after being in my situation, and visiting doctors of multiple different professions.

I frequented a psychiatric ambulance at the beginning of my illness. I had appointments there, diagnosing sessions. Due to multiple reasons (illness of one therapist, pregnancy of another therapist, and meeting the head therapist), I had 4 people diagnosing me, from the same unit, in the same building, all working as collegues.

The first thought I'm depressed because of my alcohol problems, because that's the first thing she asked about, and of course the first thing I've answered. I told her that I don't even drink anything anymore, because my current illness (then it wasn't known if it is depression) makes me incredibly sleepy and nauseous just from one single beer. She took my answer as a lie, and therefor I was an alcoholic who tries to act he's not one.
The second one thought that I was depressed because I used cannabis 8 years prior to that. It's obvious that cannabis causes this, the therapist suggested. So, again, the diagnose was quick, and based on the first issue she heard about, because that was how that dialog was going - by pure chance.
The third one was sure that it was my heroin addicition I had for 1.5 years, 12 years prior. It was again obvious to that therapist, and it was again the first thing she asked.
The fourth one simply said I'm an impostor, because I told her that I nearly fainted when I heard a joke that was too funny, and that I never experienced that before. She simply stated that she doesn't know what would be wrong with a joke. Laughing is good, she said, and not a sign of depression.

That was my first experience with therapists. It was a load of fucking bullshit. It sadly took 8 more years, and a lot of stupid therapists and doctors, to find one who could actually help me. And she only took 2 sessions to find out that I do not only have depression, but also generalized anxiety. She deduced that from me telling her which body parts of mine hurt the most when being very quickly exhausted from attempting to doing sports.

All other professionals simply told me that I shouldn't be so lazy and do more sports. I always told them that I never had an issue with being unfit, muss less nearly fainting from laughing, or getting visual glitches when walking for 10 minutes (really meant literal), and that I can't do sports because my current conditions doesn't let me.

Nearly all of them. Really, almost every single doctor and professional, made me feel like shit and suggested that I'm just lazy and that I want to avoid doing sports. They were all wrong, and honestly, most were assholes about it. I'm quite grumpy about this.

Professionals don't have much time, and they do indeed want to help. One way to look in the mirror and think of yourself as a person who also does his best and is able to help all his patients is this way: Whenever there's a patient where you have no idea how to help them - just tell yourself that patient is faking it. Done. This way, you don't have to take time to actually find a solution, while securing the desired status of the all knowing god in white.

It sucks, but that's what I think is going on.

[–] krolden@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

This is why doctors should attend school for free but not get paid insane amounts for their work. Most people who go to medical school dont actually give a shit about anyone but themselves and how much money they can make

[–] Amicchan@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Physicians can persecute anyone they want through psychiatry.

Procapitalist physicians have become police collaborators.

[–] Stoned_Ape@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

There was one story where this was quite literally the case: A group of people working in a state organisation to check on taxes in the context of high profile companies like big banks and all that found out that there is something going on in one of the main banks in that area. They started to focus their work on that bank. That's exactly their kind of work. That's what they are supposed to do. Then, people in that group were actively drawn away from that case in rather obvious ways by their superiors. One dude continued to work in that direction, and actively tried to fight the apparent corruption that was ever more obvious to him.

In the end, his superior (also a state official, not from a private company or something) sent him to a psychiatrist to check if he was fit to work, and of course the result was that he was "not sane" and not fit to work. Everybody distanced themselves from him. His coworkers, and even his wife. Not because they thought he's insane. But because they knew what's happenening, and everybody just wanted to continue their life without being in the focus of powerful people. Understandable, but still...

It took years of hard work with lawyers to overturn that diagnosis. The psychiatrist got a slap on the wrist, and that's it. If you're interested in that case, search for "Rudolf Schmenger" and "Kommerzbank".

[–] tperka@fosstodon.org 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

@Stoned_Ape @Amicchan this shit hits really hard, but that's how our dystopic system is constructed. Instead of progressing all together as society we are just tools for the rich to get even richer. How come we don't riot yet?

[–] Stoned_Ape@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

How come we don’t riot yet?

I guess because a part of society still wants to become the abusing part and works hard to achieve that goal. It is my opinion that these are typically people on the scale of the anti-social disorder, meaning that they have a lesser compassion, some even have none. That is meant literal. This can actually be physically measured and is a real thing. For anyone interested, look up "mirror neurons".
Another part of society suffers from learned helplessness and is just doing whatever they are told - the school system prepares a lot of people to be like that. (See below for more of my personal view on this.)
And then there's the part of society that can't be fooled and wants to riot, but is prevented by the first group, supported by the second group. Some estimates say that the first group is roughly 20%, the second group is roughly 60%, and the third group is roughly 20%. Though, this is really not something that is established. But I fear it might be correct.

If this is indeed so, then we are royaly fucked. I have no idea how to solve this. I have some ideas, but... damn. This problem is so fucking huge...

Right now I'm leaning towards working with children. I was working in the mechanical engineering business before, but I recognized that the products that are created are not making the world a better place, but are abusing the human being and fuck our environment. I realized that the chance of working at a good place is rather slim, so I turned elsewhere. I always like to play with kids, and wanted to become a child carer in my youth, so I tried it out and it was perfect for me. Over time, I learned more about society and children, and it became my opinion that one way to combat these problems is to be there for kids. To love them how they are, to not pressure them into molds, to let them play and live out their natural motivation.

I wanted to say a bit more about the school system. I mean... we all have gone through 10 years of "don't ask questions, just do, like everyone else in class - if you don't, you'll have consequences". That is one fucking hell of constant shaping and molding. I worked in an elementary school for two years. I've seen my share of children suffering there, after at first being eager to enter school, because everyone told them it will be good and nice there, and that the kids will be more grown up there. The first few weeks are typically awesome for the children. Then the horror sets in. They don't want to draw the same letters again. They already did it, and they think they're already good at it - and they are mostly right about it. But, of course, everyone has to work through the same sheets. They ask their parents and their teachers why they have to do it. The answer is like that:

"We understand that this is not fun. We also had to do it when we were young. We did not want to do it, too. We can not explain to you why we are doing it like this, because we don't know ourselves. You MUST suffer through this, just as we did. There is no way around it."

Of course, not literally that anwer, but that's the basis of it. Children realize that this is really bad, but... it can't be changed. Some children ease rather quickly in their destined mold and will get good grades. They will end up in the second group. Some children can't deal with the situation and suffer greatly from it. They will get bad grades. Some of them will not forget this and end up in the third group, but some will suffer themselves into their molds and end up in the second group. And then, of course, there is the first group, and even when we see children as something innocent and peaceful, there indeed were children who were clearly abusive and manipulative. "Do my homework for me, or we won't be friends anymore." These things happen, and worse.

One example I've noticed, which still lingers in my mind: There was a girl that was rather young for school. She was just 5 and a half when she started school. Regular age is 6-7. But she was really clever. She was really eager to joing school. She loved to count, she loved to do maths, and she loved to play physical puzzles with me. She had an outstanding three-dimensional imagination. A gifted child with a lovingly happy soul. She lit the room with her smile and her motivation.

Just 2 months into school, and that motivation flew out of the window. She hated school. Do the same shit over and over again - even if she already knew how to do it? She couldn't understand why, and people couldn't give her a response that makes sense. What is this shit that is happening? Why are people here so dry and sad? When it came to using substraction, she could not do it at all. I'm absolutely sure that she is not too dumb for that. Not at all. She just didn't want to learn a new thing, which she then had to do over and over again, without anyone explaining to her... why?

Damn, this poor girl. She must be in third grade now. I hope she will end up in the third group. We need clever and motivated people in that group.

[+] jabberati@community.xmpp.net 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

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[–] sexy_peach@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I don't think that the state of real medicine is the cause of alternative scam medicine. I think humans have a tendency to fall for this kind of crap, regardless of the state of evidence-based medicine.

[–] Stoned_Ape@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It may be offtopic, but out of interest: I see the "mod" sticker right next to your name. With Reddit, every mod has to post their comment and then click of "mod-comment" afterwards. Otherwise, the comment appears as a regular user comment without any sign of the user being a mod. Is it the same here on Lemmy, or is the "mod" sticker always there?

[–] poVoq 3 points 2 years ago

The mod sticker is always there, however a similar functionality as you describe for Reddit seems to have been added to Lemmy recently, but I have not yet used it or seen it being used.

[–] sexy_peach@feddit.de 1 points 2 years ago

It's always there and it's pretty weird for me too, sometimes I just post a reply and then it looks like an official or important reply, even though I didn't even think I was mod in the sub.

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