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Reading about FOSS philosophy, degoogling, becoming against corporations, and now a full-blown woke communist (like Linus Torvalds)

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[–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 192 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (17 children)

I was feeling the last part had some more story behind it so I went ahead and found this:

Seems like I'm a full-blown woke communist too

[–] Barbarian@sh.itjust.works 68 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Doesn't read like he's an actual communist, more insulting people (rightly so) that would call liberals communists.

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[–] darcy@sh.itjust.works 52 points 1 year ago (3 children)

er... did torvalds just say trans rights? based alert

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[–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's strange to me that any of the things he said is controversial.

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[–] agent_flounder@lemmy.one 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm definitely woke af. And proud of it.

I have come to think that when profits are at odds with health, happiness, the good of society and humanity, then either a non profit foundation needs to be running it or it needs to be in the hands of the government—but a much less corrupt one. And I believe oligopolies need to be broken up and anti trust laws greatly expanded and enforced. Then we can deal with the oligopoly / plutocracy. We set a maximum wage (including all earnings) and tax 100% above that. Penalties for regulatory breaches include jail time. For corporations. With corporations reigned in, oligopolies and oligarchies crumbled, we can prevent regulatory capture and corruption. Campaign finance is abolished and it is paid for out of public funds. We abolish first past the post voting in favor of scientifically determined better alternatives to ensure voters actually have a variety of choices.

Idk wtf that makes me except maybe a ranting lunatic lol

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[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 138 points 1 year ago (17 children)

Linux and open source in general completely blow apart capitalist arguments that profit motive is necessary for innovation and technological advancement. Open source ecosystem primarily run by volunteers has produces some of the most interesting and innovative technologies that we've seen. The reality is that people make interesting things because they're curious and they enjoy making stuff. Pretty much nobody makes anything interesting with profit being the primary motive.

[–] FaeDrifter@midwest.social 51 points 1 year ago (2 children)

capitalist arguments that profit motive is necessary for innovation and technological advancement

I don't know who is arguing this because it's incredibly stupid. The greatest scientific minds of history, the mathematicians, the physicists, the inventors, were not capitalists, they're people with passion for their work.

If we move to a society that guarantees basic human needs and good education, we're only going to have more scientists and engineers that progress technology even faster.

[–] agent_flounder@lemmy.one 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And while we are at it... novelists, poets, painters, musicians, philosophers, ...

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[–] S_H_K@lemmy.fmhy.net 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The innovation argument is shaky at best many of the corporations innovations are brought or copied really. Is a story that became pretty common in the latest decades one guy come with a good idea some other mofo takes it and profits with it.

[–] ConfusedLlama@kbin.social 39 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That's why it's important to use hard copyleft licenses like the GPLv3 instead of merely open-source MIT or BSD licenses wherever possible when you publish software.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 year ago

Indeed, the corps did a whole campaign lobbying for permissive licenses precisely so they could plunder open source work. Hard copyleft should be used for any serious project.

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[–] thanksforallthefish@literature.cafe 112 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Context for those who are baffled (I was)

https://news.itsfoss.com/linus-torvalds-woke-communists/

No Linus hasn't grabbed a red rag and isn't off to foment revolution

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I liked the take by the utterly clueless Polish guy in the comment. I think his complete lack of understanding of any context is quite typical of online political conversation, especially when semantics come into play.

Also Linus did call for "Total world domination" (I have the tshirt).

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[–] Zehzin@lemmy.world 82 points 1 year ago (14 children)

The Linux to trans anarchocommunist catgirl pipeline is very real. The moment you move to Arch it's already over.

[–] Caitlynn@feddit.de 23 points 1 year ago

I'm feeling called out

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[–] ConfusedLlama@kbin.social 66 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (19 children)

rant:

I have been using Linux since 2006, a lefty and against the super-rich and big corporations since I remember (to the point of avoiding their products like the plague), also never having understood or accepted gender roles and other stupid traditional concepts, yet never turned into a communist 🤷

It baffles me that so many people think that respecting gender equality, understanding the evil in big corporations and avoiding them, valuing community and being tolerant (except for intolerance) and against discrimination somehow equals communism... I say this because I've been called a communist by many people who know me, while I have always rejected it explicitly!

/rant

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[–] schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 51 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Linus Torvalds is a "full-blown woke communist"? Citation needed.

I have been a FOSS enthusiast since my preteen or early teenage years (mid-to-late 2000s), yet I am not in any sense a communist.

[–] RegalPotoo@lemmy.world 45 points 1 year ago (3 children)

"full-blown woke communist" is US-speak for "Scandinavian socialist"

The term you want is social democrat, which isn't socialism but hey, it tries to like, stop people starving to death on the street, if only because it looks ugly.

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[–] Celediel 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I now love Debian more than I previously thought possible.

brb installing Debian on all my hardware.

edit: there's a fortune-anarchism too, amazing.

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[–] icepuncher69@sh.itjust.works 39 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Fine, but dont defend tyranical regimes. They are bad no mather who they say they read. They could could claim to be following the teachings of fucking Mr Roggers but if they have concentration camps then thats not utopic or very humanitarian in my opinion, specially if ther is some mad dictator in power with everything no matter how manny extra steps are in between.

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[–] Wogi@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago (2 children)

ITT: people who have no idea what communism is

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[–] citrusface@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)

...I just didn't want windows advertising to me.

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[–] thebrownhaze@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] stepanzak@iusearchlinux.fyi 32 points 1 year ago (24 children)

Yeah, I love the FOSS philosophy and I would be a communist if I didn't know that in my country and in every other country where communism is/was, it became a dictatorship doing reallly horrible things. I simply don't have the trust in people to believe communism is possible without violation of human rights. It's sad.

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[–] tal@kbin.social 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

https://moneyinc.com/linus-torvalds-net-worth/

How Linus Torvalds Achieved a Net Worth of $150 Million

Red Hat and VA Linux went public, and since they acknowledged it would not have been possible without the programmer, Torvalds received shares reportedly worth $20 million. Before it went public, Red Hat had allegedly paid Torvalds $1 million in stock, which the programmer claims was the only big payout he received.

He revealed that the rest of the stock Transmeta and another Linux startup awarded him were not worth much by the time he could sell them. However, in the case of his Red Hat stock, it must have been worth his while because, in 2012, Red Hat became the first $1 billion open-source company when it reached the billion-dollar mark in annual revenue.

Whether he exercised his stock options is unclear, but the money he makes from the gains could be the reason why his net worth has continued to soar.

Well, that's one definition of being communist, I suppose. Myself, I think that it's fairly safe to say that Torvalds is okay with private ownership of industry.

[–] spookedbyroaches@lemm.ee 25 points 1 year ago

People may have read this and got too excited. He just believes in socially left policy. He's probably not a communist.

[–] askat@programming.dev 21 points 1 year ago

I don't know about his political views, but I think Linus deserves every last penny he got from Red Hat.

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[–] Jake_Farm@sopuli.xyz 29 points 1 year ago (18 children)

Fuck communist statist, foss is pure anarchism.

[–] ZombieMantis@lemmy.world 42 points 1 year ago (3 children)

My ~~brother in Christ~~ Comrade in the revolution, Communism is a stateless, moneyless, classless society. Whatever self-proclaimed "Statist Communists" thare are, are no-more Communist than the National "Socialists" who sent our kind to the death camps.

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[–] Rumo@feddit.de 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Anarchism does not necessarily exclude Communism! :)

Good Explanations: https://www.anarchistfaq.org/afaq/index.html for those interested

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[–] Koffiato@lemmy.ml 28 points 1 year ago (10 children)

What? These things are not related to each other by a good margin. In fact, since the FOSS is completely orderless, it goes against communism; which requires some sort of order just to be able to function. But either way, the parallel is not there or questionable at best, not to mention irrelevant.

Can we NOT drag useless politics into FOSS?

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[–] Commiunism@lemmy.wtf 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Literally same, even the years match up lol

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[–] whou@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I too just turned into a Marxist after finding out about Linux and software freedom in 2020 lol

I think there might be more than a handful of us. Welcome, comrade.

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Shit this is too accurate

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